[KarlInOhio]

Why is there a need for project managers? It seems like all these people do is go to meetings. They produce nothing of value. An on the ball designer/engineer can handle the job themselves.

Without a good project manager, the boss will invite "on the ball designer/engineer" to the meeting so no work will be done. A bad project manager will not only go to the meeting, but will bring the engineer along so everyone's time can be wasted.

[caver]

Where I work, there are scores of project managers(middle management) that do nothing but attend meetings. They have no clue what's going on and usually send their workers off on a tangent.

The best designers/engineers get promoted into project managers and they get caught up in attending meetings. They lose the best workers that way. The only ones left are incompetent brownnosers.

[numberonepal]

A bad project manager will not only go to the meeting, but will bring the engineer along so everyone's time can be wasted.

I resemble that remark.