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To: TaxRelief
They really are all practically the same guy with the same problems. in 2008There are three main wings of the GOP electorate(border,fiscal,and social wing)
Well, I will not bring up Allen since I promised JLA I would not.(I think Allen is to the right of Santorum,but Left of Brownback)
BROWNBACK
Sam Brownback's position on the border's and illegal immigration is FAR to the left of President Bush's.He is UNAPOLOGETICALLY for Amnesty.I estimate that fully one quarter of GOP primary voters will not vote for him on that alone.He is very weak on fiscal issues as he supported both Medicare reform and the NCLB act.
His only real "strength" would come from the so called Christian Right,however,his radical convergence to Catholicism in 2004 could cause him trouble with SOME of the Protestant Christian right who have SEVERE differences in Theology with some tenants of Catholicism.Many on the Christian Right will be looking for someone who shares their world view.
Brownback is a strong pro life advocate,however his ability to communicate on the issue in a PENCE-REAGAN way is sorely lacking and his is easily demonized and pegged a demagogue.All in all, he simply is not able to "handle" the media(you know,in the way that Pence is able to)as a conservative that is a must. Santorum has all the same problems as Brownback only worse.While Brownback voted for the Medicare bill,Santorum was the WHIP for it! Santorum is constantly pushing for an increase in the minimum wage and other socialists fiscal policies.His only saving grace(pardon the pun)has been among Social conservatives but he has recently has started to make them(us)mad by flip flopping on intelligent design and other minor,but revealing issues. All the other conservative 08 contenders other than Pence are either A not really conservative or B lacking courage.
52 posted on 01/04/2006 5:04:35 PM PST by Gipper08 (Mike Pence in 2008)
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To: Gipper08

Look at this POst article wriiten by Hanna Rosin.She obviously is a far left secularists who does not understand and possibly does not like Christians.Read the way Pence is able to "handle" her and control his portion of the artilce.Media skills and savy combined with Leadership and courage is what we need in 08.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10508-2005Mar5.html
...............Rep. Mike Pence (D-Ind.) has promised to make a brief appearance at this antiabortion news conference. By the time he gets there it's mostly over, but the women holding it are eager to repeat their performance for him.

Jackie Bullard jumps right in to explain that an abortion left her unable to have children, so she adopted Arabella, a "child of rape whose birth mother is a drug addict," she says. "But she is highly intelligent and perfectly normal." Five-year-old Arabella is there, listening to this story she's no doubt heard many times, fidgeting at her mother's waist.

On a table at the back of the room someone has lined up dozens of pairs of tiny shoes to represent all the "murdered" children. In the corner a group of teenagers chat excitedly; they've just returned from the Supreme Court, where they stood with red masking tape across their mouths to represent the "silent screams of the unborn babies." All that's missing here is the graphic fetus pictures ubiquitous in the '90s.

Although Pence is low-key, he stands out in this crowd; he is neat and compact, with silvery hair and a pleasant face wasted on radio, the medium that made him famous in Indiana. When someone in the crowd talks to him about abortion doctors preying on vulnerable women for financial gain, Pence translates that sentiment into modern feminist terms.

"One of the fascinating things about the suffragette movement," he begins brightly, then describes how Elizabeth Cady Stanton and others recognized that they would be subjugated to the whims of men unless they could vote, translating the message of the dour news conference into progressive feminist terms.

Pence was raised Catholic, born again in college, but a political experience brought on his real "conversion." In 1990 Pence ran what he described as the nastiest race in Indiana history. He lost.

From then on he vowed that even while engaged in politics he would always be "true to his faith." Other Christian Republicans had had that revelation, of course, a decade earlier, but they were not his models: "They came in, boom, arms flailing, with lots of righteous indignation," he says of the Christian Coalition. "But that bombast and tone of the early movement is inconsistent with why we're here." What he means, really, was being nicer, or as he puts it, upholding "standards of integrity and civility."

Pence, 45, became a conservative radio talk show host who is stylistically the anti-Rush Limbaugh. "I'm a conservative, but I'm not in a bad mood about it," he'd say on air. Last year he ran for Congress again with the aim of rehabilitating himself; in ads he never mentioned his opponent.

After he got to Washington his colleagues voted him head of the Republican Study Committee, a group of powerful House conservatives once known as Newt Gingrich's henchmen. Their platform hasn't changed in 10 years, but under Pence's leadership it's a new day. "You do not demonize those who disagree with you," he says. "If you believe in a woman's right to choose, you're not a bad person, we just disagree."

His aim is to subtly "season" his sentences with references to God, not overwhelm them.

"I hope," he says, "I never make people uncomfortable."

Not too long ago relations between politics and evangelicals were defined by discomfort and tension.

Mark Souder is also a Republican congressman from Indiana, nine years older than Pence. His Baptist grandfather never voted, and his parents did it holding their noses. "The way my family looked at Washington, if it wasn't Hell it was a direct suburb."

In 1971 Souder attended a convention of Young Americans for Freedom, the Barry Goldwater groupies. There he recalls the handful of evangelicals sussing each other out through code words and glances, "much like gay people do today." Once they were sure they'd found one of their own, they'd lean over and whisper "I'm praying for you," then slide away. Souder's political friends were all Catholics and Jews.



Lyric Hassler, a political consultant, with husband Jeff, a Senate staffer, are evangelicals new to Washington. (Juana Arias -- The Washington Post)


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It was not until the early 20th century that the Senate enacted rules allowing members to end filibusters and unlimited debate. How many votes were required to invoke cloture when the Senate first adopted the rule in 1917?
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That was before Roe v. Wade, before the Christian Coalition, before evangelicals made money and moved to the suburbs and "began to lose a sense of pessimism and alienation," says John Green, a professor of political science at the University of Akron. Now at a conservative convention young people line up to pray at the microphone. Now, says Souder, "the collective memory of all that tension is gone."

Souder's generation never outgrew the habit of tuning their résumés, approaching a non-church audience with caution.

Even Thune, a member of the new generation, used to omit from his official bio that he graduated from Biola, the Biblical Institute of Los Angeles. In his time the school was known for its fundamentalism, and didn't allow students to watch movies or dance.

John Ashcroft, son of a Pentecostal preacher, still avoids questions about whether he speaks in tongues. Whenever talking about his upbringing -- he never drank or danced, and remained a virgin until he was married -- Ashcroft is either prickly or boastful, but always self-conscious. "It's against my religion to impose my religion," he'll often say. "But I've always hoped that if I were ever accused of being a Christian I'd be found guilty."

Lyric Hassler, the Hill aide in starched white blouses, was not long for the Christian ghetto. After college she took advantage of the two elite fellowships designed to cultivate this new generation of Christian leaders -- the Trinity Forum Academy and the Witherspoon Fellowship. She came in dreaming that she would one day stand before the Supreme Court and overturn Roe v. Wade; she came out a realist, a political professional.

On the Bush campaign Hassler thought she'd find people who all shared her perspective. What she found instead were conservatives, not her kind of Christians. The differences showed up after work. At happy hours the Christians stood out as the ones who had only one beer, not five. And they didn't date, the way anyone else understood the term. Lyric "dated" Jeff Hassler for five months, but they never kissed until they got engaged. "What planet are you from?" her boss said when she found that out.

Still, when her boss needed some advice about planning the religious ceremony at her own wedding, she asked Lyric. "We stood out a little," she says, "but not too much. Ten years ago she might have thought I was a total freak. But now she just thought I was a little weird."

Now Lyric and Jeff are married and live in Fairfax. Jeff works in Sen. James Inhofe's office, Lyric is a political consultant. They've stayed away from the usual evangelical megachurch -- "the music is awful" -- and instead joined Truro Episcopal in Fairfax.

"I used to think High Church was dead and empty," she says. But somehow watching the procession, seeing the choir and the vestments, singing those traditional hymns -- "I thought this is how church should be," she says. They still consider themselves evangelical, but not in style -- no "awful music," no Jesus-is-my-best-friend, no "Left Behind" books.

They think a lot about how much to shelter their family from a corrupt culture; home-schooling is a definite option. Sometimes they think about going to someplace more remote, where temptation is easier to keep at bay.

"But after life in Washington," Lyric says, "we couldn't very well just disappear."


53 posted on 01/04/2006 5:10:25 PM PST by Gipper08 (Mike Pence in 2008)
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To: Gipper08

Santorum really ticked off social conservatives in PA by endorsing Specter in a race Specter barely won over a true conservative congressman in 2004.


56 posted on 01/04/2006 10:40:07 PM PST by AFA-Michigan
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