> Why should the Jews not have been in Gaza in the first
> place? It was Israel after all
No, it wasn't. It, like Sinai, was captured land which Israel never claimed nor annexed. For the record, it also wasn't under Jewish control except briefly during the Hasmonean (Maccabbee) period and during Solomon's rule in Biblical times.
> Why are not the Arabs in Jordan which was created from
> Israel to build them a homeland?
Jordan was created from British Palestine, not Israel. Much of Jordan has never been under Jewish control, ever. There were also Arabs living in western Palestine at the time. Some had been there for centuries. What you are advocating is ethnic cleansing and forced explusion.
> Now there are more IDF trying to keep the Paleo-stiens
> in check than before. Have you heard of troop reductions?
The IDF has not reduced troop strength but the thousands of soldiers that were deployed in Gaza are no longer there.
> Are not troops still dying?
Excellent point. Actually, no, they aren't. The deaths of soldiers and settlers in Gaza have stopped. How many Israeli soldiers have Palestinians in Gaza been able to kill since disengagment? How many Jews altogeter? This is exactly the point of disengagement: to save Jewish lives. In that respect disengagement is clearly a success.
> Perhaps the problem is Arabs shooting people, not where
> Jews live ya think?!
No, I don't think. Again, how many Gaza Arabs have shot Jews since disengagement. Come up with an accurate number and get back to me.
> And the surrender
What surrender? There was no surrender. There was a tactical decision, not a surrender. Sorry, you may believe what Hamas tells you but I do not.
> had nothing to do with defensible borders as now the
> border is much less defensible than before.
What do you base this claim on?
> Now if Israel trys to stop a shelling it is an
> "international incident" or an "invasion".
Really? According to whom? Hamas? The PA?
> I have a word for you too, also called Kosovo, as now
> they are occupied, and the Arab Atrocities have not
> stopped
Arab atrocities? Please document these. The Arab population of Kosovo is near nil. Oh, and yes, Kosovo is occupied: by NATO.
> but are now protected by the UN.
The UN can't even protect itself. NATO is calling the shots in Kosovo.
> This is your future too, a goy army holding a gun to
> your head as a Moslem rapes your sister.
Indeed, if we expel the Arabs by force that might be our future. Fortunately Israel has no such plans. Prime Minister Sharon is smarter than Milosovich was.
> Giving land to Arabs was suicidal.
Really? I see Palestinian deaths continuing but Jewish deaths not continuing in Gaza.
> Attacks are sharply up
Actually, according to the IDF they are *down* sharply.
> daily shelling of Israel has increased
The Qassam rocket attacks from Gaza were every bit as intense before disengagement.
> and suicide bombing is back.
Did it ever stop? Tell me, how many suicide bombers have come from Gaza since disengagement? The number is zero, in case you've lost count.
> So are you going to claim that was all part of the plan,
> that Sharon wanted more artillery attacks, more dead
> kinsmen and there just was not enough suicide bombings
> to go around?!
There are, again according to the IDF, fewer suicide bombings. The death toll is up among Palestinians, not Jews. You really need to get your facts straight.
> You gave away your second largest industry
Really? Perhaps all the lovely locally grown produce in the market is just a figment of my imagination.
> and some of your most productive farmland
Actually, Gaza was and is desert. What made it productive was irrigation and hothouses. It is not, by itself, any more productive than any part of southern Israel.
> to create an Allah Allah incoming free fire zone.
Really? Oh yes, the IAF is using northern Gaza as a free fire zone and is attacking Islamic terrorists. Thank you for the reminder.
> Billions of dollars worth of land, homes and farms
Billions? Where do you get your number from? The agriculture, at it's peak, was worth $65-70 million per year. Roughly 2,000 homes and a few miles worth of desert are worth billions? You really need to take Economics 101.
> for zip nada?
No. To save Jewish lives.
> Pretending that this was a positive move is insane in the
> face of what is happening right now.
It was a positive move. No pretending is necessary. Nothing that is happening now was unexpected.
> But the left marches on, reality be damned...
Actually, if one believes the polls, the hard left is still voting Labour and Meretz. It is the broad center of Israel's populace that supports the Prime Minister.
> Because they "have all the answers"
Really? It reads like you think you have all the answers. Again, disengagement was not a product of the left. We have a moderate, center-right Prime Minister and government. Of course, to extremists the center seems to be way off to the left.
> despite the votes to the contrary.
What votes to the contrary? Polls show the Prime Minister winning the next election in a landslide. People with views like yours may control 30 seats in the next Knesset, fewer than before disengagement. Disengagement was voted *for* by the Knesset and the Cabinet. The public supported it by a 60-40 margin.
> Israel is what happens when leftists get control of the
> Judiciary
Disengagement was something started by the Prime Minister and approved by the Cabinet (executive branch) and approved for in a vote of the Knesset (legislative branch). All the judiciary did was refuse to overrule our parliament and executive. They refused to engage in what Americans call "judicial activism". It seems you are really confused by the different branches of government. Actually, based on your posts you seem to be just plain confused.
You did nothing to refute my claim that an attempt to forcibly expel millions of Arabs from their homes would yield international intervention against Israel. To me such an attempt would truly be suicidal.
Look, since you want to expel non-Jews from Israel why don't you set a good example? Flights leave Ben Gurion Airport daily. We have enough wingnuts of our own.