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To: Eagle Eye
I have no problem with reasonable searches and neither does the Constitution.

True, but the devil is in the definition of "reasonable", or more precisely, in who decides what is "reasonable". If the searchers are the ones to decide which searches are "reasonable", then the fourth amendment is effectively nullified.

There is fairly good precedent for the interpretation of reasonableness in searches. For example, looking at what is in plain view is not considered an unreasonable search. This has even included cases in which a police helicopter hovered over a property observing what went on below, and this was (legitimately) upheld. Similarly, picking through someone's trash has been upheld, since one doesn't legitimately consider one's trash "private". The usual test is a "reasonable expectation of privacy".

There have also been some bad decisions. The "open fields" rule, which seems like a special case of "things in plain sight," has been extended to permit officers to trespass on private property without a warrant, to look at outdoor areas not visible from outside the property's boundary. This is clearly wrong, though it's currently legal. By contrast, it's both right and legal to conduct aerial surveillance, precisely because one does not own the airspace over one's property.

Historically, the interpretation has been that someone making a telephone call has a reasonable expectation of privacy. Thus, warrants are required for wiretaps.

The issue is confounded by the notion of "exigent circumstances", which essentially mean that some conditions can justify unreasonable searches. This reopens the original can of worms under a new heading, namely: who decides whether circumstances were exigent? If it's the searcher who decides, then the fourth amendment is again nullified.

220 posted on 01/04/2006 7:46:53 AM PST by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: Shalom Israel

I don't disagree a bit and have the same concerns that a Liberal administration's definition of resonable could be appalling.

That is why I'd prefer to not elect those that I cannot trust in the slightest.

"Reasonable" is subjective and probably intentionally so. I don't mind. There must be flexibility and judgement involved. Any power can be abused; that is also why we have so many checks and balances.

Obviously there are those who don't like what they think Pres. Bush has been doing based on principle. Then there are those who just oppose everything he's done, is doing, and will do.

But I don't think that, based on what I think I know of this, there is anything illegal, unConstititional, or unethical.

Why should those who illegally try to change our government have the protections of the governement that they are trying to kill?

It's like a host afraid to rid itself of a lethal parasite!


223 posted on 01/04/2006 8:16:47 AM PST by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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