Posted on 01/02/2006 6:02:05 PM PST by TexasPatriot8
Not much. Welcome to FR. Check your beeber at the door and make sure your logged in. ;~)
What disturbed me more than the content, was the fact that I hadn't heard any of these specifics at all. Not on the net, not in email till two weeks ago when I got this, not on the radio, or TV, nothing. THAT is scary. And it sure appears to be credible, given cited specific people who made comments, and sources where the information came from, FBI Consultant Williams, A recent G2 bulletin and that some of the info came from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed after he was captured.
The cousin's husband I got it from is constantly checking things on Truth of Fiction or Snopes or others, and he's constantly telling me things that are bogus and he's the one that sent it to me. I never get things from him that are bogus. That's why I thought I'd post it here, for those who hadn't read it. I didn't think those who had would let me know it. Not everyone has seen it. I hadn't, and I really keep plugged in during the week and hadn't seen this article. I was mostly disturbed by the prospects of it. VERY chilling.
You're on FR now. Just having fun :)
Back to the original topic, from everything I've read and seen, even if there were a suitcase nukes available there are too many things that make them nonfunctional unless maintained by a govt. with the proper technology.
It is old but, that's okay. We have new people here who haven't seen it before.
BTW, welcome to FR.
A worthy target would be Mecca.
C'mon, we all know it was 1947....
It appears to be a recent article from somewhere since it mentions a previous article from July of 2005, not that long ago. In any case, surely you don't expect a new member to know all the comings and goings from previous years, or what all posts have been made or their content? That's why I said if this was old, sorry. I mean, I was posting it because the possibility of the content disturbed me and I had yet to read something that was so specific and detailed with an actual intelligence source cited. That was the main reason I posted it because the possibility of something that specific happening is really scary. So, given that, maybe you could back off a little please? Thanks. I only joined a bit ago over Christmas, and sure wasn't posting this to get chewed on because I didn't dot my I's or cross my T's in the first thread I made. :) You likely didn't know what all everyone had ever talked about on here back when you joined, and you probably wouldn't have liked someone fussing at you like you're doing, right? :) Thanks a bunch.
IMHO, we've always assumed that whatever power or authority that might have control over WMD would have enough wherewithal to comprehend the consequences of their behavior with such devices. In situations where lessor authority had such power, it is generally viewed that if those responsible for their use are unreachable or incommunicato, then those higher in authority would recognize their importance and hold them accountable.
If we live in a world where small imam-led groups are able to control such power, then IMHO, we need an intelligence gathering capacity, perhaps amongst all powers and authorities to track those with such power and hold them accountable.
Hi, thank you. :) Any idea how old it is? It's scary that someone like me, that keeps up with the war and politics daily hasn't heard of it. I mean, between talk radio while I'm working, FOX news when I'm home, emails and web updates from friends and family, and conservative groups and friends in the war, and the local news paper, it really scares me that I hadn't heard about that specific article until weeks or months after it was done. Even if it isn't more specific, Americans need to know about the potential reality of that happening. I fully expect that sometime in the next 10 to 20 years, there will be a nuclear weapon detonated in an American city. With the fanatical nature of the terrorists, and nuclear technology being nearly as widespread today as the internal combustion engine was 80 years ago, it seems to be a question of when, not if. And I don't believe most American have really sat and thought about that. If they had, the outcry would be so loud against the democrats, that the Patriot Act provisions would already be permanent. Especially since there is not a single example of anyone's civil rights having had been "violated" or even bent by the Patriot Act. But that's the liberals for you, repeat a lie long enough and many people will accept it as truth. There needs to be an I.Q. test to be registered to vote. Truly there does.
You gave yourself the best advice one can give.
Read and learn.
check out some of the FR "Threat Matrix" threads - they go back for years, covering lots of issues regarding terrorism issues in the US.
regarding some of the points your cousin made - soon after 9-11, there was a "tip" that one of these nukes was on its way to NYC. many people got the "tip", one of them being author Christopher Hitchens who went public about it (he didn't believe it).
the bottom line is this - an organization that had all these nukes this claim alleges, would be using them. even the weapons they used on 9-11 - they had to hijack them to obtain. why?
maintaining and hiding a real nuke is not an easy task. there is more to fear from a dirty bomb - you just need material and regular explosives to disperse it.
Even though the bombs used on Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved hundreds of thousands of American soldiers and Marines, compared to invading the Jap home islands, if WWII was today, I doubt we'd of used them, since in '45, no one knew squat about radiation. I mean, we used surplus warships to test nukes in the Pacific, and then had our guys walking the decks taking readings, they all got cancer and died in the years after. There's just no safe way to use them, especially if terrorists are the ones that use them. Very frustrating. I sure hope Bush gets his way and the Patriot Act is made permanent. Clearly the NSA, CIA, FBI and military intelligence have been doing an excellent job since 9/11. That needs to continue and the Patriot Act as it is now is the only way to make that happen.
your assertion about detonating nuclear weapons fallout "killing hundreds of thousands no where near the blast zone" is incorrect. there were dozens and dozens of above ground nuclear tests througout the world before the test ban treaties.
And really, you're missing the point of my posting that article. I was not posting it because I thought it was "breaking" or even newer than the past couple weeks. And I wasn't posting it because I believed it to be totally accurate word for word how it WILL occur. I was posting it because the way it was lined out in that article, 100% fact or not, is chilling, no matter how new or old it is, and just the idea of it happening even somewhat like that, is chilling to the bone, and would cause irrepairable damage to the country, and if it was a 9 or more city attack like that article supposes, it could cause the collapse of the United States. The possibility of that was why I posted it, and I was posting it for people like me that hadn't seen that particilar article, to get their opinions. I wasn't posting it for those who had already seen it, or ones like it, so they could tell me what I already knew, that it wasn't breaking new, or that the possibility of nukes being used by terrorists had been talked about a couple years ago. I already knew both of those things. And they weren't why I posted it. :) Thanks though.
Me too, probably sooner.
Gamma radiation is a vicious unforgiving monster and it takes months or years to dissipate in the atmosphere and even just a few blasts, even from tactical warheads, not strategic city-buster type warheads, would drift around, and anyone in their path if they hover for a while, would be effected months or years later. If there had ever been a full out maximum exchange between the U.S. and Soviet Union, and the U.K., France, China, Israel, India, Pakistan if they used theirs also, with a maximum spread focused on population centers on all sides, that radiation cloud from those hundreds or thousands of separate detonations would drift all around the world with the wind currents, and anyone not killed by the blasts, or from the subsequent lack of safe water or food, would die in the years to come as all that radiation circled the globe. Gamma radiation doesn't just fade in hours or days. A few or more detonations would kill hundreds or thousands in the years to come, even a decade or more. It would be deaths from cancer or deformations, but what caused those cancers and deformations would be that radioactive soup that drifted invisibly with the winds after the actual explosions. Its scientific fact which has been proven after 60 years of post Manhattan Project testing and research. The more detonations, the more people will die years later from the after effects, depending on the wind currents and yield of the fission devices detonated. I don't understand why, but you seem determined to tell me nothing I say is correct. I know what I'm talking about.
The source is World Net Daily. Thank you..I hadn't read this before.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1546635/posts
yes - "in those areas" or "in the blast zones".
are you claiming that nuclear testing in the 50s and 60s directly "killed hundreds of thousands" around the world from fallout?
Just the thought of it happening in just one city makes my head spin. I can't even begin to think how to tackle it if if happened in several, or as many as nine or more major cities. 4 to 10 million people just gone, not counting those in the vicinity that would die in the coming years because of the radiation drift. And basically you can only cover over the areas with radiation levels that don't drop under 3 or 4 Rads, fence that area off, and consider it unlivable for the next ten centuries or more. You don't just make the after effects of a nuclear explosion go away.
And liberals worry about the "bomb" being in our hands for 60 years and thought that Reagan was going to get us all glowing in the dark, but where's their concern for the terrorists who could give a flip about killing millions of woman and children, even some muslims if they're in target U.S. cities. Madness.
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