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Windows PCs face ‘huge’ virus threat
Financial Times via Drudge ^ | January 2 2006 18:18 | By Kevin Allison in San Francisco

Posted on 01/02/2006 3:54:03 PM PST by Swordmaker

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To: Cementjungle
What's needed is a proper intrusion-detection system, like this one:

I think you're taking CAT5 too literally. :-)

101 posted on 01/02/2006 5:35:19 PM PST by 6SJ7
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To: Decepticon
Let's see....you don't use a PC, you're a Mac fan and you like to post threads like this just to harangue PC users....does that about cover it?

No. I posted it to inform Windows users that they better do somthing to prevent the invasion of their computers. I am merely responding to mis-information (FUD if you will) from ignorant (of Macs, that is) Windows users.

102 posted on 01/02/2006 5:36:56 PM PST by Swordmaker (Beware of Geeks bearing GIFs.)
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To: Decepticon; Swordmaker

I am a very careful person (but I can't speak for my wife when I'm not home and she's got the pooter) but I keep finding viruses and trojans in Java. I finally just installed the program and deleted the entire Sun folder until I can find out what's causing the vulnerability. Any ideas?

BTW, my wife downloads a lot of these "cute" games which I'm guessing are java-based. I'm sure this is the culprit but wanted to make sure that there are no other factors involved here.


103 posted on 01/02/2006 5:37:14 PM PST by streetpreacher (If at the end of the day, 100% of both sides are not angry with me, I've failed.)
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To: Decepticon

DOOMED!


104 posted on 01/02/2006 5:37:55 PM PST by Born to Conserve
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To: streetpreacher
BTW, my wife downloads a lot of these "cute" games which I'm guessing are java-based.

What OS are you running? Whatever it is, you need to protect your computer from your wife's proclivities to download "cute" games. I suggest setting her up with a limited user account...

105 posted on 01/02/2006 5:41:16 PM PST by Swordmaker (Beware of Geeks bearing GIFs.)
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To: Swordmaker

XP Home Edition Service Pack 2 (of course). I am going to go PRO but I haven't had the time or desire to back up my files. I once tried a PRO install over a Home install and it was horrible, so I want to do a clean install this time.


106 posted on 01/02/2006 5:46:46 PM PST by streetpreacher (If at the end of the day, 100% of both sides are not angry with me, I've failed.)
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To: streetpreacher
BTW, my wife downloads a lot of these "cute" games which I'm guessing are java-based. I'm sure this is the culprit but wanted to make sure that there are no other factors involved here.

Teach your wife to scan her downloads with Antidote SuperLite. It's a free, on-demand virus scanner.

107 posted on 01/02/2006 5:48:36 PM PST by holymoly ("A lot" is TWO words.)
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To: Swordmaker

The patch from the highly-regarded Ilfak Guilfanov, mentioned in the article, is available at http://www.hexblog.com.

Per the geeks at F-Secure, "Ilfak Guilfanov has published a temporary fix which does not remove any functionality from the system (all pictures and thumbnails continue to work normally). The fix works by injecting itself to all processes loading USER32.DLL. It patches the Escape() function in GDI32.DLL, revoking WMF's SETABORT escape sequence that is the root of the problem. Now, we wouldn't normally blog about a security patch that is not coming from the original vendor. But Ilfak Guilfanov isn't just anybody. He's the main author of IDA (Interactive Disassembler Pro) and is arguably one of the best low-level Windows experts in the world. ...Ilfak recommends you to uninstall this fix and use the official patch from Microsoft as soon as it is available."

This would seem to be a superior and safer temporary patch than the registry hack that's also been recommended.


108 posted on 01/02/2006 5:50:58 PM PST by RightOnTheLeftCoast (You're it)
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bump


109 posted on 01/02/2006 5:56:12 PM PST by csvset
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To: Swordmaker
From GRC,

"Windows 98/SE/ME users: Microsoft's original advice to "unregister the shimgvw.dll" (shell image viewer) was never correct or useful on those platforms. The good news is that all current WMF exploits appear to be non-functional on the older Win9x vintage platforms . . . so you will likely be okay until Microsoft has updated your system with the next security patches. There is no short-term workaround for Windows 9x users."
110 posted on 01/02/2006 6:07:06 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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To: holymoly
Why couldn't she just right click and scan the exe. file with the anti-virus software I run now (AVG)? And that still won't detect spyware necessarily.
111 posted on 01/02/2006 6:14:27 PM PST by streetpreacher (If at the end of the day, 100% of both sides are not angry with me, I've failed.)
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To: Decepticon

It doesn't matter. The handwriting is on the wall. It's a logical conclusion.


112 posted on 01/02/2006 6:15:36 PM PST by angkor
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To: Swordmaker
No. I posted it to inform Windows users that they better do somthing to prevent the invasion of their computers.

Yes, it's called Norton Antivirus. Which is much cheaper than spending a crapload of cash for a Mac that's priced twice as much as it's worth and performs a fraction as well as what everyone else on the planet is using.

I am merely responding to mis-information (FUD if you will) from ignorant (of Macs, that is) Windows users.

It looks to me like all you did was make it clear that you paid too much for a POS computer that doesn't do squat. But that's just me.

113 posted on 01/02/2006 6:16:45 PM PST by PetiteMericco
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To: Decepticon
By the way, the site you sent me to about Gibson (and I only cited him because he was cited earlier in this thread), makes the same point that I made to you above: "his crusade has always been a router security issue, not an operating system security issue, and every legitimate router security analyst knows this."

Point is, operating systems are not the issue, whether Windows, OS X, or Linux. Because when exploits can be crafted by script kiddies (or automatons) in large variant numbers with minor differences in exploit code, then the job of routers, firewalls, IDS, and VA become more and more onerous. Or they simplu break or get raced.There comes a point when their job is *entirely* dependent upon (a) self-generating signature identifications and (b) ASIC-based firewalls or parallel processing platforms. In other words, the existing model of perimeter security models no longer works.

Consequently, the exposure of *all* operating systems becomes more problematic over time.

I don't know why you're arguing the point, every firewall and IDS vendor and security person I know accepts that evolution.

114 posted on 01/02/2006 6:31:48 PM PST by angkor
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To: streetpreacher
Why couldn't she just right click and scan the exe. file with the anti-virus software I run now (AVG)? And that still won't detect spyware necessarily.

Back when I was running Norton as my full-time AV, I downloaded an infected zip file. Norton missed it. A manual scan with Antidote found it.

I now run AntiVir. I still double-check all downloads with Antidote.

Just a thought.

115 posted on 01/02/2006 6:33:11 PM PST by holymoly ("A lot" is TWO words.)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
This would seem to be a superior and safer temporary patch than the registry hack that's also been recommended.

Thanks... that info will be invaluable to a lot of Windows XP users.

116 posted on 01/02/2006 6:38:14 PM PST by Swordmaker (Beware of Geeks bearing GIFs.)
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To: Laserman
"Reminds me one more time why I love my Mac!"

Please.....don't be so naive  to think if there was no Microsoft these crabs wouldn't be infecting Macs.  They are only looking to do damage to whoever is on top.

117 posted on 01/02/2006 6:41:57 PM PST by Shamrock-DW
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To: PetiteMericco
It looks to me like all you did was make it clear that you paid too much for a POS computer that doesn't do squat. But that's just me.

Thank you for volunteering your Mac ignorance to make my point for me.

It might be of interest to some on FreeRepublic that InfoWorld has just awarded Apple the InfoWorld 2006 Tech Awards for:

Best Workstation (Apple Macintosh Quad G5)

Best Operating System - Client (Macintosh OSX.4 Tiger)

Best Operating System - Server (Macintosh OSX.4 Server)

But that's just them... one of the top journals for IT professionals in the World.

118 posted on 01/02/2006 6:46:46 PM PST by Swordmaker (Beware of Geeks bearing GIFs.)
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To: Swordmaker
Thank you for volunteering your Mac ignorance to make my point for me.

Hm, ignorance is spending $1999 for a Mac when I can build a computer for $600 that will do everything a Mac does PLUS play games.

119 posted on 01/02/2006 6:58:45 PM PST by PetiteMericco
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To: PetiteMericco
Hm, ignorance is spending $1999 for a Mac when I can build a computer for $600 that will do everything a Mac does PLUS play games.

Macintosh: When you're through playing games.

120 posted on 01/02/2006 7:00:04 PM PST by SlowBoat407 (The best stuff happens just before the thread snaps.)
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