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To: Havoc
691  if you're thinking treason is no worse than making a bad choice on the ballot, then we've got some really serious problems here...   718 What, we're supposed to make like nice democrats and redefine language now to make you happy?

My confusion was over the fact that most people consider treason to be a serious, vile, crime.  For many years it was the only Federal capital offense.   However, if you're saying that you meant no insult by saying my gang is the treason lobby, then I guess that's good.

I'm easy --what the heck, I'll go it your way.    From now on I'll refer to the import taxers as "People Insulting Sane Society As Nazi Traitors" --or pissant for short.

739 posted on 01/05/2006 11:22:53 AM PST by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama
My confusion was over the fact that most people consider treason to be a serious, vile, crime.

Whether treason is a serious, vile crime or not doesn't set aside what can amount to treason. I think Lincoln deported people for subversive speach because it amounted to treason. Subversive speach may sound puny; but, it was vile enough to be treason. What is vile in it isn't how it sounds or looks. It is in it's impact that it is judged. One can say something vile and not be a traitor. But, one can say something seemingly harmless, subvert the moral of the country and it's will, and be a traitor in the doing. You understand the words, you just don't seem to understand how to apply the mechanics. The vileness is not it's sound or appearance. It is in it's impact.

Free trade is subverting our economy. Wages are falling, benefits are being slashed, hours slashed, businesses are folding or leaving due to the outside competition. And the competition, by it's nature, must leave us in the worse condition because there is far more cheap labor to be had overseas than there are US citizens by many multiples. If supply and demand determines an increase in pay over time, how many Billions of chinese people must be employed before you incur a shortage of labor at 10% of our minimum wage or less.. Right. Sounds much like the debate on importation of Corn to Britain.. "This will be great, you'll be unharmed.. (till your wages and benefits disappear and you are forced out of work..) ..wages will go up (in our estimates only).." What, praytell, do you think is more vile, more subversive, more destructive to the average American than putting their livelyhoods at risk or garauteeing it's destruction for no cause more than a politician's willing hand toward the greed of his buddies. People can deal with and understand buggywhips and the like. Hending their job to pedro because business and politicians want to purposedly undermine the wage here - that tends to tick people off in rather extreme ways. I'm sure, however, this would not be "vile" to you. You would likely dismiss it as "breaking a few million eggs" - nothing to trouble one's head over.. How insane of those people to be upset. Why should ruining people for your good upset anyone?...

744 posted on 01/05/2006 11:55:27 AM PST by Havoc (President George and King George.. coincidence?)
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