Posted on 01/02/2006 4:19:44 AM PST by ventana
I agree with you, which is why I said on the margin. Ultimately, the company is more productive using the arrangement. It may not be so on the purely micro level, but in the big picture...
That's the point; the global market horse has left the barn. Happened quite a while ago. And sorry for mixing metaphors at such an early hour, but we won't be putting that genie back in the bottle.
China sells oil to the US. It get's refined and mixed into the US fuel supply. If you really believe what you said, you'd better stop buying any gasoline at all. You have no excuse for murdering your own grandson.
I think what you said is wrong and that there's nothing to worry about. I sometimes sell stocks in American companies to Chinese buyers. Every single dollar that they give me, I put in a special box to buy even more bullets to kill my customers.
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.. missed the mexican national rebuttal. No, I was being specific and factually accurate. They were and are not as productive as My team was. It isn't arguable. We knew what their performance was on a weekly and monthly basis and heard it from the client and saw the effect of the damage being done. They were better on one stat - their ATA. And that was not of their own doing, it was forced upon them via an automated answer system. In every other area, they were detestably wanting. And they all spoke English as a second language. The biggest complaint about them was that they largely didn't care about the client. They'd bs the client just to get them off the phone. But, hey, you get what you pay for. And, what comes around goes around. Treason begets treason.
If they suck as much as you claim, the jobs will be back (or elsewhere) shortly. You think your company offshored the jobs just to tick you off?
The US always used tariffs as they were designed to be used before - as a defense against subversion. Now, subversion is viewed as "just good business" by the treason lobby, and tariffs an unwanted intrusion of government.. unwanted by those who would profit by treason as it happens. Alas, government intervention must be decried as an evil if it keeps people from profiting at the expense of America. The US has not always paid this price. It used to be led by people with common sense and a love for this Country. Now it is led by people who have a love for globalism instead and couldn't care less about what it means to this country in the long run. Gotta break a few eggs, (National soverienty, civil rights, etc) to make a globalist omellette. I'm not for globalism; but, give me a spatula and I'll break it over the heads of a few globalists in the name of a Christian, Soveriegn United states. The US doesn't have to pay a price for the globalists. But, the globalists might find they'll pay a price for treason. Some of us haven't forgotten what it is or what words mean in general.
Ah --we're together.
When it's business, everyone knows this and everyone deals with it-- but for me it's always amazing how many Americans I talk to aren't aware of the outstanding high level of US productivity, and how many foreigners don't want to admit to me that they know this.
"Back when I hired in at General Motors 30 years ago, it seemed like a good, secure job," said Fairbanks, president since June of UAW Local 1618. Since then, "I've seen good times and I've seen bad times. This qualifies as a bad time, in more ways than one."
"I'm too old to go back to school. I've worked there all my life," says Keister, who drives a buggy in the tin mill. "I went there straight out of high school. It's all I know."
Quotes from guys, lacking a college education, fortunate enough to work more than 30 years with one employer, and now they're complaining. I mean if my only skill job skill was driving a buggy in a factory, I'd be nervous too
The global market isn't a horse needing to leave or stay in the barn and has nothing to do with America. Show me where Globalism is addressed in the Constitution - it isn't. And much of what these globalist twits are doing requires them to ammend the Constitution to do. They have not attempted to do so because Americans wouldn't sit still for it. They're hoping that the long-suffering of Americans will let them get away with what they're doing before people get upset enough to do something about it. They've lost that gamble already. It doesn't seem a matter of whether they'll pay a price, it's a matter of what the price will be. People are already steamed - inexplicably so to hear the treason lobby talk. As for putting the genie back in the bottle, it isn't a genie and there isn't a bottle to worry about. This is a matter of trade policy and the Constitution. And the Government can be made to abide by the Constitution even if Globalists find it a hassle to have to do so.. So, if you'll excuse a good quote, "Who's the we, sucka." If America says, granting your metaphor for the moment, that you will put the genie back, you will put the genie back. This nation is not a bunch of sheep that will be commanded. They are the boss that tells the politicians how to manage the boss's estate. If the servant gets out of line, he may find himself jobless or worse. You might mind yourself on that matter.
This is exactly what I was talking about in my post 47. We face the fact that American workers get more done than foreigners. The tin foil crowd tries to make us believe that Americans are as dumb as say, the French, and if we don't agree then we're somehow unpatriotic.
Truly astounding logic.
Not everyone could afford a college education. And that's still true today. Evidently, many think themselves better than 'buggy drivers' and snivel at the lower, unwashed among us in not too different manner than that of liberals who also think they know better than the average American. The same gallows that libs are hanging from today can always hold one more and it is no respector of party or person.
So, you were replaced because your productivity per dollar of earnings were lower than your foreign competitor. It is good that you were replaced. Jobs that are productive stay in the US, jobs that are not go to low-wage areas.
Locally, I live in Northeast Pennsylvania. A depressed area with a union mentality. While wages are low here, we do not get manufacturing jobs because of gov't laws and the union mindset. We get service jobs, especially call centers for hotels, insurance, etc. Those service jobs came out of New York City after 9-11. Those jobs were outsourced to the lowest wage, but for management purposes, kept close to the headquarters.
It seems that while dumping of product is illegal, it's fine do dump with wage rate as long as you can make a profit subverting the economy on that end of the equation.
You are intentionally skewing the definition of dumping. Dumping is when you sell products for less than their true cost. Just because someone is willing to do a job for less than what you are willing to do it for, does not constitute dumping.
Look at China, where wages are rising incredibly fast. If wages stayed low, the workers would not be able to afford products. Now China is destined to become the largest automotive market in the world. That is not because wages are $0.37 per hour. It is because wages are rising as demand increases for them.
The full quote is "At $9/hr, I can't buy a new vehicle every three years". The other benefit for the rest of us is that when the union workers can't buy a new car every three years, maybe they will start building cars that last more than three years.
That pretty well summarizes the Bush Administration's despotic economic war against the American Middle Class.
It doesn't much matter if you are union or non-union, high or low tech, manufacturing or service. If your means of earning a living can't be outsourced offshore, Dubya will undermine your wages with imported labor, be it legal immigration or illegal. And while he's busy downsizing Middle Class America, he'll maintain the illusion of prosperity by expanding the bloated federal government with unprecedented levels of deficit spending, sacrificing our nation's future in the process.
"I am one of those who do not believe that a national debt is a national blessing, but rather a curse to a republic; inasmuch as it is calculated to raise around the administration a moneyed aristocracy dangerous to the liberties of the country."-- President Andrew Jackson - (1824)
"Of all forms of tyranny the least attractive and the most vulgar is the tyranny of mere wealth, the tyranny of plutocracy."
~ Theodore Roosevelt
Agreed, but what seems to be missing on this thread is about how job losses are often a result of state government policies. Sure MI continues to hemorrhage jobs, (especially the cushy union ones) but so many of them are to other states rather other countries. Many businesses would rather stay with a higher educated and productive workforce here rather than going overseas if they can afford it.
MI has become much bluer in recent years as voters reward with the same incompetence that makes it a hostile place to do business - sure unions have issues that make them uncompetitive, but I'd venture to say high taxes, (small business, property, workmen's comp, etc.) are driving out the most jobs.
Others also fail to see that if some jobs don't go overseas their competition will, that is the nature of a free market. Better to gain payroll overseas than lose the company. These are the same people that bellyache (dem talking point) about 'quality' jobs not realizing that these jobs are created from free-market risk takers these days that are not likely to do so when they are taxed to death by all layers of government.
Until these punishing policies are reversed, the trends will continue.
Do "market rules" mean that a company should submit itself to countless frivolous lawsuits every time a customer is disappointed in a product?
Does it mean submitting itself to countless local, state, and federal "impact fee" laws -- thereby increasing startup and maintenance costs by hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars?
Still, even with the extra burden to business in America, my son just got hired by a pharmecutical company (six figure salary). My best friend's son just got hired in a great job ($70,000/year)in the travel business.
A local mid-sized business near my home (which makes Christmas decorations, of all things) is booming and hiring more people.
And home repair contractors are so busy they are backed up two, three and four months in advance.
All this gripe about not being able to get a job usually comes from people who worked at one job for 20 years, and now they want to get the exact same job again.
Things change. People must change also.
In most places, $9/hr is just a survival wage. Can't afford a new car on that--unless your living at home with mommy and daddy. American cars made today are NOT junk--although quality did suffer in the 70s and 80s. All my cars are American made and I keep 'em for 8 years. I sell them not because they don't work (they do), but 'cause I want something new. I gave my sister my Olds a few years back--its still running well after 12 years.
Typical uninformed drivel and hate against working class Americans. Unions only make up 12.5% of manufacturing workers in America. I suppose you must really mean teachers, policemen, firemen and government employees since their union rate is right around 50%.
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