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Middle Class Job Losses Batter Economy
Associated Press | January 2 2006 | Associated Press and Vicki Smith

Posted on 01/02/2006 4:19:44 AM PST by ventana

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To: nopardons

LOL! Well good-

I am no economics major- but I had NO IDEA what illegal immigration, welfare, and standing up for my neighbor had to do with this UAW president saying that over 30 yrs was not a secure job....

thought I missed a class or something.....LOL! But I will enjoy perching myself right here to learn more about economics...yes- I am a nerd- I love to learn...


321 posted on 01/02/2006 7:32:44 PM PST by eeevil conservative (courage is living in tyranny and speaking for freedom/not living in freedom and speaking for tyranny)
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To: Havoc

"Not everyone could afford a college education. And that's still true today."

Nonsense! Where there's a will, there's a way... There are grants, loans, the military, etc. There's so much $$$ for college it's ridiculous. And of course, you can always do what a lot of us did--work your way through school.


322 posted on 01/02/2006 7:32:48 PM PST by frankensnake
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To: hedgetrimmer

"Americans must stand up for the RIGHTS of their fellow Americans'

Do you stand up for my RIGHT as an American to be a free-trader?


323 posted on 01/02/2006 7:34:41 PM PST by Sunnyflorida
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To: frankensnake

work your way through school..

Hey! I did that! mowed lawns and scrubbed toilets for anyone who would let me....kept a 4.0 GPA, made President's List, and was even student of the year!

oh- and had 2 preschoolers and a highschooler to raise in the meantime while deadbeat dad was stealing cars and selling drugs...

I have no patience for whining victims...


324 posted on 01/02/2006 7:37:06 PM PST by eeevil conservative (courage is living in tyranny and speaking for freedom/not living in freedom and speaking for tyranny)
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To: Nowhere Man
HI...I hope that you had a wonderful Christmas ( or Hanukkah ) and that the New Year treats you well, old friend! :-)

No new Victorian/Edwardian books out for this Christmas, so no, I'm off reading on a different topic. I like alternative history books, so I just may look into what you're now reading. Thanks for the tip!

Oh pleeeeeeeeeeeeease...don't hand me that tired excuse for not saving; it's so old, its white beard is trailing on the ground! Even the poorest of the poor can save, if they REALLY want to and some of them used to. Almost nobody lives from hand to mouth today. There is absolutely NO valid reason to NOT save; yet fewer and fewer people think ahead and put anything by. Part of it,I lay at the feet of Benjamin Spock, whose baby rearing book is partly responsible for generations of instant gratification whingers.

Can you play Quidditch on line?

325 posted on 01/02/2006 7:40:59 PM PST by nopardons
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To: eeevil conservative
Sadly, the tinfoilers are incapable of staying on topic. This thread SHOULD have been pretty straightforward economics and rebuttal of the article!

I wasn't an economics major, but I do know history and understand the topic. There's always something you can learn on FR; even if it's just who is a fruitcake and who isn't. LOL

326 posted on 01/02/2006 7:44:40 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Clearly you do not read at the most elementary level.

The rights that must be defended are our constitutional rights. They include, for your edification, the right to elected representation. Only "free traders" would have a problem with that, as you have so ably demonstrated.


327 posted on 01/02/2006 7:48:39 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: nopardons
Sadly, the tinfoilers are incapable of staying on topic. This thread SHOULD have been pretty straightforward economics and rebuttal of the article!

LOL! I kept seeing posts on this thread on the "latest posts" page- and kept thinking, "ooooh, how exciting..." finally I figured I would check it out- it seemed to be getting so many comments..LOL! (plus I was extremely bored)

Then I saw some of the comments and thought I was in a twilight zone.. so I figured I would ask someone what I was missing.. that is when I was lashed with hyperbole about illegal immigration- neighbors- illegal aliens......then I KNEW I was in the twilight zone...

- and YES- I did find some fruitcakes too!
328 posted on 01/02/2006 7:50:58 PM PST by eeevil conservative (courage is living in tyranny and speaking for freedom/not living in freedom and speaking for tyranny)
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To: Havoc

Re: your tag line. I'm not buying it.

And I've never been a full-throated W. supporter.

Examine my posts.


329 posted on 01/02/2006 7:53:17 PM PST by sauropod (Follow the Gourd! Follow the Gourd!)
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To: nopardons

LOL........you're on a roll tonight, aren't you? :)


330 posted on 01/02/2006 7:53:17 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: hedgetrimmer
Clearly, you never got past kindergarten.

My rights to vote have been subsumed by "free traders"?

I have no ( well, actually I don't, considering who they are ) no Senators and no Representatives in the Senate and the House? The person whom I helped to place in the White House isn't there because I voted for him? IN WHAT UNIVERSE?

Only a tinfoil wearing boob would claim this is not so.

331 posted on 01/02/2006 7:54:42 PM PST by nopardons
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To: ventana

Seriously needed by the sky-is-falling-crowd.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0465081452/qid=1136260435/sr=8-2/ref=pd_bbs_2/102-2035226-7326504?n=507846&s=books&v=glance


332 posted on 01/02/2006 7:55:16 PM PST by Sunnyflorida
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To: hinckley buzzard
And their buddies at Ford are building diesel F-150's that start to fail on the way home from the dealership.

And what parts are failing? Fords are not 100% American made.
333 posted on 01/02/2006 7:55:48 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Sunnyflorida
"The focus on quarterly results comes hand in glove with the liquidity that provides the jobs we have. Without this liquidity the economy would be far worse."

No, I'd argue that point. What about liquidity based on a yearly outlook? A two-year outlook?

No......I can tell you for a fact that it has nothing whatsoever to do with 'liquidity'. No offense intended when I say that's a canard.

334 posted on 01/02/2006 7:55:55 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: eeevil conservative
If you think that some of these posts are "peculiar", you should read the GOLDBUGGERY threads, when you are bored. LOL

Some of us really DO try to stay on topic, and thanks for reminding all of us that we should. Let's go back to the article and perhaps we can salvage the thread.

335 posted on 01/02/2006 7:57:57 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Paul Ross
RE: "By understating inflation, government statisticians have been overstating GDP growth."

This government "feel good" economic reporting started, no surprise, in the Clinton years. Focus groups liked good news.

This is macro economic stuff, folks. Those of you getting off on schadenfreude at the micrco economic misery of your fellow citizens keep on keepin' on. Nothing for you here.

Good post, Paul Ross. And thank you for "Hypothetical Hocus-Pocus." I've been asking for feedback on hedonics for almost a year. I thought it was someting I saw in a Monty Python movie.

The GDP is bumped by an amount of dollars "into a higher number reflecting the hypothetical benefits of soaring computer power." Technology inflation, some call it.

Thus according to your reply a 1998 Clinton calendar quarter GDP increase of $114.2 billion (nominal value, right?) becomes $127 billion (Monty Python value).

It lives on today. In fact, this "increase in computer power that businesses are getting for their money" inflates the manufacturing portion of the GDP and an article by Mr. Reynolds of CATO (I believe) a couple of years ago used the result to "prove" that manufacturing has remained unchanged as a portion of the GDP for decades. Thus refuting that any significant offshoring was taking place. Limbaugh, et al. picked it up and amplified the crowing coast-to-coast.

Did they really take housing, energy and food out of the "basket of goods" used to measure inflation? If so what the hell is left? What the helll is the point of measuring "inflation?"

Well, I'm going to copy your replay and save it for later. Thanks again for the work!

336 posted on 01/02/2006 7:58:24 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (Hillary is the she in shenanigans.)
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To: hedgetrimmer

Americans aren't making Fords? Is that what you meant about illegal aliens? Are they making the Fords?


337 posted on 01/02/2006 7:58:33 PM PST by eeevil conservative (courage is living in tyranny and speaking for freedom/not living in freedom and speaking for tyranny)
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To: wvobiwan

(NAFTA and CAFTA are travesties, granted. I personally am doing great under Bush's fantastic economic management.)

Never underestimates the power of free trade to create jobs. I hope you stay open minded about the possibility that NAFTA, CAFTA, and of course the tax cut, have been very important in Bush's fantastic economic plan.


338 posted on 01/02/2006 8:00:18 PM PST by winner3000
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To: nopardons
Only a tinfoil wearing boob would claim this is not so

Since you are the only one saying these things, I guess that makes you one.

But yes, your RIGHTS have been undermined by the fraudulently named "free trade".
339 posted on 01/02/2006 8:02:01 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: RightOnline
LOL...as always!

How're your wife and kids? I hope all of you had a Blessed and Happy Christmas!

340 posted on 01/02/2006 8:02:10 PM PST by nopardons
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