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Middle Class Job Losses Batter Economy
Associated Press | January 2 2006 | Associated Press and Vicki Smith

Posted on 01/02/2006 4:19:44 AM PST by ventana

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To: nopardons
Both.

How many of those houses were paid off by union workers and non-union workers? Blue-collar workers, that so many seem to despise on this forum, have the same goals and desires as white collar workers. The want to be able to raise a family and enjoy life. Yet, when a blue-collar guy gets a raise its a bad thing. If a CEO or upper management guy gets millions that's justified.

There is a clear bias against blue collar workers; they are labeled as beer swilling barbarians who don't know their ass from their elbow.

While anyone who went to college and can claim to be white collar is held up in high regard.

Home ownership, which is at an all time high, is good if the houses are paid off. At the same time we know that American's savings rate is about 1% and they are mortgaged to the hilt much like the feds. It can't be sustained over the long run especially if there is some world-wide event like a major war.

If that happens and our economy recedes, home ownership will become the purview of the banks or rather Fannie Mae and Mac. Who will prop them up if the housing bubble bursts?

The middle class will disappear and those homes that aren't paid off will become property of the government.

301 posted on 01/02/2006 6:59:31 PM PST by raybbr (ANWR is a barren, frozen wasteland - like the mind of a democrat!)
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To: Havoc

What state do you live in? Every state I have ever lived in had community colleges. These are basically very low cost. In many cases they are free.

I know of no one who looks down on somebody because of the work they choose, but at the same time you just can't be surprised that doctors make more than teachers or mechanics (unless you are an Internists vs a F1 team mechanic). If you want to become well off you need a plan. The richest people I know in the field of technology did not complete college (Gates and Elison). Not everyone desires wealth or needs it to be happy. And people are not always happy when the have money.


302 posted on 01/02/2006 7:01:50 PM PST by Sunnyflorida
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To: nopardons
No American, at NO time, has EVER been guaranteed a job!

All Americans at ALL times are guaranteed their RIGHTS. Oooooops maybe you weren't here when they taught that in school, and that is why you have a hard time grasping that concept.

American RIGHTS are undermined by the fraudulently named "free trade" system. Off shoring and outsourcing were made possible by the fraud of "free trade" and the direct foreign investment that is key to the phony "free trade" system. To defend the rights of your fellow Americans you must repudiate this fraudulent system. To defend their RIGHTS is YOUR DUTY, as an American.
303 posted on 01/02/2006 7:01:54 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: nopardons

LOL! thank GOD you had the patience to deal with that rambling of hyperbole....lol--


304 posted on 01/02/2006 7:05:01 PM PST by eeevil conservative (courage is living in tyranny and speaking for freedom/not living in freedom and speaking for tyranny)
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To: eeevil conservative

You aren't supposed to feel sorry for him, despite the article's spin.

I merely address WHY he and others like him are facing what they are facing.


305 posted on 01/02/2006 7:06:15 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: RightOnline

oh- and I was not asking to challenge you-- I actually directed my question to you because you seemed to know what you were talking about-- I am asking in sincereity - not to debate it-- honestly to understand it...


306 posted on 01/02/2006 7:06:20 PM PST by eeevil conservative (courage is living in tyranny and speaking for freedom/not living in freedom and speaking for tyranny)
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To: raybbr
There are far fewer union members now, than there used to be; thank GOD! So, since I have no desire to look up the info ( which I doubt even exists ), you have to be satisfied with an : I HAVE NO IDEA HOW MANY HOUSES ARE OWNED BY UNION MEMBERS, V. NON-UNION MEMBERS, as the answer.

As to the rest of your tinfoil, crazy spew...where did all of THAT come from? I haven't posted a single thing, in seven plus years here ( go look up all of my post! ), where I said that blue collar workers are garbage. "Bias"? Go look in the mirror, if you want to see someone who is choking on biased problems!

No college degree? Hell...go to N.Y.C., join the union, and you too can make $60,000+ a year, with a whole lot of benefits, and be able to retire at close to full pay, for doing an unskilled job in the subway.

Americans haven't been savers for the past 50+ years. I don't know why ( I am a saver; always have been ) and it isn't because they are living from hand to mouth. Saving is a mindset, which went out of fashion long ago.

307 posted on 01/02/2006 7:11:48 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Is there a full moon out tonight?


308 posted on 01/02/2006 7:13:15 PM PST by eeevil conservative (courage is living in tyranny and speaking for freedom/not living in freedom and speaking for tyranny)
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To: raybbr; nopardons
Home ownership, which is at an all time high, is good if the houses are paid off. At the same time we know that American's savings rate is about 1% and they are mortgaged to the hilt much like the feds.

Household net worth is at an all time high, $51 trillion. Average home equity is 57.1%

Federal Reserve, page 110 of 124

The middle class will disappear and those homes that aren't paid off will become property of the government.

Under what fevered scenario do these homes become property of the government?

309 posted on 01/02/2006 7:13:32 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (The Federal Reserve did not kill JFK. Greenspan was not on the grassy knoll.)
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To: Paul Ross
Sorry. The Declaration of Independence (the principle document of independence in case you are not up in history) was determined by the primary authors to be unanimously adopted or not at all. The northern delegates along with Jefferson may have had objections to slavery but it did not get in the way of their politics.
310 posted on 01/02/2006 7:15:19 PM PST by Sunnyflorida
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To: nopardons
Words have meanings; these are set in stone, written in blood meanings

What on earth are you talking about? RIGHTS mean nothing to you? Why are you going on about jobs? My post clearly stated that the RIGHTS of AMERICANS must be PRESERVED. To do that Americans must stand up for the RIGHTS of their fellow Americans. Because "free traders" only believe in consumers and not citizens, in corporate license rather than sovereign borders, and "civil governance" instead of a constitutional republic and individual rights, that makes them traitors, in my eyes. How about yours?
311 posted on 01/02/2006 7:16:56 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: eeevil conservative

I don't think so, but a lot of these post surely gives one pause.


312 posted on 01/02/2006 7:17:08 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

ROFLLLL!!!!

whew! I thought I was the only one feeling that way- lol!

I was bored and thought I was coming onto a boring economics thread- lol-- wow! what a surprise...


313 posted on 01/02/2006 7:18:53 PM PST by eeevil conservative (courage is living in tyranny and speaking for freedom/not living in freedom and speaking for tyranny)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Thanks for the link!

The tinfoil wearing doom&gloomers/THE SKY IS FALLING are out in force tonight. All emotion and no facts, appears to be their MO.

314 posted on 01/02/2006 7:19:37 PM PST by nopardons
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To: hedgetrimmer
What RIGHTS are YOU whinging on about?

The BoR and the Constitution do NOT guarantee every one a job, nor home ownership, or the "RIGHT" to dictate what a business /corporation may and may not do. Neither do any of these documents ( not even any amendment! ) list corporations with workers in other countries as traitors. There aren't any laws against your caviling either.

Frankly, in my eyes, you're posting emotional, tinfoil gibberish, which is bordering on the insane.

315 posted on 01/02/2006 7:25:51 PM PST by nopardons
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To: ventana

This article is posted several other places online and the byline is Kathy Barks Hoffman, AP writer.


316 posted on 01/02/2006 7:28:22 PM PST by AmishDude
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To: eeevil conservative
Oh, these kinds of threads SHOULD be "boring" and calm and just for people who understand the topic; however, they do seem to attract the ill informed, tinfoil wearing crazies.

Hang on tight...we're in for a bumpy ride down the rabbit hole. LOL

317 posted on 01/02/2006 7:28:32 PM PST by nopardons
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To: RightOnline

The focus on quarterly results comes hand in glove with the liquidity that provides the jobs we have. Without this liquidity the economy would be far worse.


318 posted on 01/02/2006 7:28:46 PM PST by Sunnyflorida
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To: nopardons
Americans haven't been savers for the past 50+ years. I don't know why ( I am a saver; always have been ) and it isn't because they are living from hand to mouth. Saving is a mindset, which went out of fashion long ago.

With the cost of living and taxes so high, who can save? I know there are some who over spend beyond their means and such and it is their fault but there are others who live hand to mouth.

BTW, read any good Victorian books lately, I'm reading a series of alternate history by Harry Turtledove about an alternate World War I where you have the North and South fight against each other.

Other notes, Im somewhat burned out on politics, when Rush comes on, usually I put in a Harry Potter book on tape and listen to that. Anyone up for a quick game of Quidditch? B-D
319 posted on 01/02/2006 7:29:59 PM PST by Nowhere Man ("Nationalist Retard" and proud of it! Michael Savage for President in 2008!!!)
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To: Rokke
Yeah, this "battered" economy is killing me. Especially the years of solid growth, low inflation and low unemployment. Brutal.

Sorry to hear that unskilled high school grads are losing their 100K per year jobs and have to sell their boats and second homes on the lake.

Meanwhile, the doorknobs fell off the last car they made for me, after all of about six weeks. And their buddies at Ford are building diesel F-150's that start to fail on the way home from the dealership.

Yeah, its a tough life out there for the ol' middle class.

320 posted on 01/02/2006 7:30:58 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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