[don asmussen]

SunSetSam wrote:

The writer nails this one. I am amazed the "civil liberatarians" have no care whatsoever for how their efforts will hurt the American people as a whole.

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I reject the notion we must trade freedom for security. The 9/11 attack happened because our 2nd amendment rights were taken away. If the passengers on those planes had had the right to carry firearms, the terrorists would never have attempted to hijack them.
27 Dan Evans

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Well said Dan..

Note that Sam has no answer to the the fact that libertarians fight for our right to bear arms, -- and ALL of our other rights.

We cannot "lose this war", as long as we keep our liberty to fight.

The writer only 'nails' himself as a defeatist if he believes, like you Sam, that somehow 'Civil Libertarians' have a selective opinion of what "civil liberties" are.

Libertarians support the Constitution, and all its civil liberties.

Can you prove otherwise?

[SunSetSam]

There was no point in responding, because you offer opinion, and nothing else. I agree that the second amendment should be protected, but the modern civil liberties movement is about restricting the rights of people, not increasing their rights. We just got through with Christmas and another wave of the civil rights infringements on Christians. The best example is how the civil rights of Mohammed Atta trumped the right to life, liberty and happiness that those killed in the towers inherently had. You have your opinion, and your welcome to it, but that is all it is, an opinion.