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To: SunSetSam

Does your version of history precede 9/11?

I was referring to the fight over whether the BoR would be misconstrued by people such as yourself to mean that we only had the rights that were enumerated.

You need to remember that we pre-exist our government. We were here. We formed the States. The States formed the Federal -- not national -- government. We delegated certain limited and defined powers to the new government. All other rights and powers are retained by the people or to the States.

If you need more history than that, you will need to do your own homework, but please do get an education on what limited constitutional government means. Learn what freedom means. Then live it, love it, and defend it.


153 posted on 01/02/2006 10:30:00 AM PST by Badray (In the hands of bureaucrat, a clip board can be as dangerous to liberty as a gun.)
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To: Badray
Ah, so you wrap a weak point in insults in an attempt to support a position. This is the tactic of somebody who really has no idea what they are talking about. So here is your education, seeing as you really are in sore need of one. The Preamble to the constitution uses the word "provide" only once, this is in reference to the "Common Defense". The line "Provide for the common defense" represents the mandate by "We the people" (us) who are charged to with the formation of a "more perfect union". In this case the word "union" is used not suggest we form a more perfect Ohio, or Pennsylvania, but a more perfect nation (or the whole that the individual states create). Considering the nature of our enemy, wire tapping certainly qualifies for the common defense.

It was a nice try Badray, but you are very limited in your depth of knowledge on Constitutional issues, and thus not equipped for this level of conversation. Your opinion notwithstanding, is not a very good constitutional argument.
157 posted on 01/02/2006 10:48:37 AM PST by SunSetSam
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