Ukraine gas row hits EU supplies

BBC News ^ | 1/01/2006

[Lukasz]

You know what that means? It's sad but it has to be said, it means Ukraine is stealing gas the western countries (EU countries) are paying for. As for the whole situation it's an obvious blackmail of the Russia govt.

They have contract so it is their gas also. But beside of that Kremlin might send less gas for Europe and then blame Ukraine in their propaganda war. You cannot execute this possibility, Russians became absolutely mad. Who knows better than we Poles how many times recently Kremlin lied about Poland? Our food for example, this case really stinks.

[A. Pole]

I see Russia is following Nazi's suit.

This is hysterical - you compare the refusal to sell oil at 20% of market price with Nazism?

[A. Pole]

But beside of that Kremlin might send less gas for Europe and then blame Ukraine in their propaganda war.

This can be remedied very easily. EU observers can monitor how much gas enters the pipeline on Russian border and how much goes from Ukraine to Poland.

[Lukasz]

This can be remedied very easily. EU observers can monitor how much gas enters the pipeline on Russian border and how much goes from Ukraine to Poland.

Correct, we will send one of our boys with Baltic expedition. We are the closest neighbors so it is our job. LOL

[A. Pole]

Correct, we will send one of our boys with Baltic expedition. We are the closest neighbors so it is our job. LOL

I guess it will be Germans and others who buy and pay the most.

[Lukasz]

Do you trust to Poles or not?

[dennisw]

Thanks for the information. Duly noted.

[dennisw]

Russia's plan is to use its resources as a political weapon against the EU.

Why not, it worked great for the Arabs.

[A. Pole]

Do you trust to Poles or not?

Usually yes, but will Germans who pay billions of dollars for gas, be willing assign the job to the Poles? After all they are the party to this Baltic pipeline.

[A. Pole]

This is the provocation and a potential "justification" to invade Ukraine militarily under the pretext of protection of the pipelines against gas theft.

Are you serious?

[montag813]

Ukraine provides gas transport from Russia to the EU, so Russia cuts off the supply to show the EU where their gas comes from.

Perhaps Ukraine should cut it off permanently.

[SpikeMike]

I've also found this: According to the contract signed by Russian state company Gazprom and Ukrainian state company Naftohaz Ukrainy on June 21 2002, which is valid to the end of 2013, the payment for the transfer of Russian natural gas through Ukrainian pipeline system has to be made in the form of barter exchange, i.e. a certain share of gas pumped through the Ukrainian territory was given to Ukraine for its own use as a payment for the transfer. Originally, the amount of gas to be shipped as payment for the transfer was supposed to be negotiated every year and to be fixed by inter-governmental protocols. On August 9 2004 the two companies signed an addendum #4 to the contract, according to which the amount of gas given as a payment was calculated based on the tariff of $1.09 for transportation of 1,000 cubic meters to the distance 100 km and the price of the natural gas $50 per 1,000 cubic meters. According to the addendum the price is not subject to changes until the end of the year 2009 [1]. Gazprom argues that addendum #4 is only applicable provided that the two countries sign an annual Intergovernmental Protocol specifying the terms of gas transit, and two conditions are satisfied: first, that gas transit services are to be settled by gas supply, and second, that the transit price is fixed at US $50 per 1,000mі. According to Gazprom, if the annual Protocol is not signed under these terms, the addendum #4 becomes void [2].

[spanalot]

"Stoip ukarnina thivery or Russia will stop delivery. "

What thievery? Putie is reneging on a contract that sells gas to Ukraine at $50 thru 2009.

[RusIvan]

What thievery? Putie is reneging on a contract that sells gas to Ukraine at $50 thru 2009.==

There no such conract. It is the reason why we not see ukrainian lawsut in court.
To flap your tong at media is easier then go to court where you need to prove your allergations.

[RusIvan]

Your information is right.

Ukarnian authority know it too that is why we will never see them in court with thier compains. They like to flap thier tongs in media and lie to own people and whole world.
They were successful in making fools from someone here already.

[kaiser80]

Russia and Europe need safer routes. NEP will be the solution of this problem. STOP NOW UKRANIAN THIEVERY! STOP GAS TRANSIT THROUGH UKARINE! LOL

[tomjohn77]

Well another case that bothers me is that the Russians are excluding Norwegian Salmon from their markets. The reason being that our fish is too polluted. Down in Singapore they found our Salmon to be perfectly healthy. This is also a political trick. The irony is that suddenly the Russians care more about pollution than Norway and Singapore. Everybody that is sane know that this is all bull.. If you compare everything from fishing boats to industry we are light years in front of them when it comes to rules and regulation of pollution.
This ethic and moral is disgusting.
They obviously lie and I never trust a liar. On the other hand you should be able to charge the right price for your product.

[tomjohn77]

Well another case that bothers me is that the Russians are excluding Norwegian Salmon from their markets. The reason being that our fish is too polluted. Down in Singapore they found our Salmon to be perfectly healthy. This is also a political trick. The irony is that suddenly the Russians care more about pollution than Norway and Singapore. Everybody that is sane know that this is all bull.. If you compare everything from fishing boats to industry we are light years in front of them when it comes to rules and regulation of pollution.
This ethic and moral is disgusting.
They obviously lie and I never trust a liar. On the other hand you should be able to charge the right price for your product.