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To: mad_as_he$$

You are using Venik www.aeronautics.ru as a source of accurate info? LOL.

Venik is still a laughing stock within the aviation and military world with his table of losses. He even has START treaty verifiable B-2 and B-52s shot down over Yugoslavia. The guy is a certified loon!

Count up the losses in human life alone of NATO aircrew and soldiers and it goes into the hundreds. Please explain, not using Venik's ignorant logic, how they are all covered up to this day?

"Approx. date Location Type of aircraft/Remarks 24.03. Kosovo One NATO aircraft (some sources say F-117) was hit by an air to air missile fired by pilot Iljo Arizanov flying MiG-29"

No Yugoslav pilot made any air-to-air claim for any NATO aircraft. The ghost writers of the Yugoslav Government Information agency made those claims. The pilots of the 127th Fighter Squadron were most upset that their brave attempts at engaging NATO strike packages were altered by the Yugoslav Government. Their post combat reports were altered by the then Yugoslav government to reflect losses of NATO aircraft. After the conflict aviation researchers interviewed the pilots of 127th and not a single claim of a shoot down was made. No Yugoslav pilot got a chance to fire any air-to-air missile at any NATO aircraft.

I could go on and on. Tally up all those claims of shot down manned aircraft and the resulting captured or killed aircrew. Explain to me why not one single photo exists of any of those captured pilots or the wreckage of their aircraft. Even the ICRC announced that they only exchanged two captured Yugoslav soldiers and the US troops taken prisoner on the Macedonian border. No other prisoner of war exchanges took place.

The tables that you are presenting of manned aircraft losses are simply the results of the intense propaganda effort made by the Yugoslavs. It resulted in a mass of idiotic claims and truly stretched the imagination. Even the Yugoslav government ministers were bleating ridiculous claims.

During June 199 Mrs Radmila Visic stated the following to the media:

The Deputy Secretary of Information of the Serb government, Radmila Visic, claimed that Yugoslavia has shot down more than 190 NATO aircrafts since March 24, when the Alliance launched air raids against the country, in her interview at the Macedonian Press Agency. Mrs Visic accused NATO of
concealing the actual number of its losses during the two-month war in Yugoslavia and reassured that when the hostilities are over, the Alliance will be forced to inform first of all the mothers of the dead pilots, who still don't know the truth. "Of course Americans and the rest of the NATO allies do not admit that they lost 190 aircrafts and they will not admit it in any of their briefings. However, even in the Internet, in NATO's web-site there are data that confirm this number and verify the claims of the
Yugoslav army", said Mrs. Visic. "I am certain that when this is all over, then the international public opinion and especially the American one will face the Vietnam syndrome and then the mothers of the pilots of the shot down planes will be informed that their sons where killed in the raids
against Yugoslavia", she stressed. When asked about why the Yugoslav authorities do not present photos or videos that
confirm their allegations of having downed 190 planes, the Serb minister noted that even NATO itself has admitted that Yugoslavia has a remarkable strategy. "It is part of our tactics, not to show them. I, like a good soldier, will not give more information on this...."

What you have presented in the tables are the ramblings of the propaganda effort.

After the conflict Bojan Bugarcic who was the Senior Advisor on International Affairs to Misosevic blew the lid on the propaganda effort. During interview Bugarcic revealed:

"He [Bugarcic] said that, throughout the war, a tremendous, and extremely effective, propaganda campaign had been mounted by the Serbian military. The aim was to keep the populace believing their forces were mounting a spirited defence. "Using the state broadcaster, unofficial 'Russian intelligence' web pages and Army communiqués, the deception had been so successful that many people were fooled. My 22-year-old translator, Vlada Kopric, was
one example. While he vehemently denounced the government-controlled RTS media network as spouting 'pure lies,' his explorations on the Internet had led him to the bogus Russian intelligence site. As a result, up until my November interview with Bugarcic, Vlada had truly believed that the Serbian military had successfully shot down 78 NATO aircraft. "He was devestated when he learned the truth."

As another example go back to the tables and tally up all the manned aircraft claimed shot down inside Serbia itself. Ask yourself after all those manned aircraft wrecks claimed in Yugoslavia then why can they only put on show two manned aircraft wrecks?


24 posted on 01/02/2006 2:28:50 PM PST by Tommyjo
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To: Tommyjo

Much of the info is questionable but much is valid. I'll stick to my original statement except for the F-15/16.


25 posted on 01/02/2006 2:44:49 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Never corner anything meaner than you. NSDQ)
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