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To: GSlob

Encyclopaedia Britannica is for you a soviet propaganda? Strange, to say the least.==

Ok hence just simple ignorance. What new if same encyclopedia don't separate th ehistory of Russia and Soviet Union. Because of such ignorance we see here that americans calls "soviets" as "Russians". And so on.
Ignorance rules:(.

Yes, the Ukrainians were allowed into nomenklatura [had to be, given their numbers] - but never in the top job, nor to the top of the crucial KGB or ideology departments. ===

Yeah yeah:))). Interesting who was Semichastnii the KGB head during Khruschev time who conducted the anti_nikita coupe with his another ukranian friend and next general secretary Leonid Brezhnev?

Let forget about Khruschev, Brezhnev, Semichasnii, Podgornii, or Chernenko for a minute.

Tell me who were Krilenko, Dibenko, Podvoiskii, Tsurupa, Lunacharskii? They are the first ministers in first bolshevick goverment of Lenin!
Too much for your "Ukrainians were allowed into nomenklatura [had to be, given their numbers] - but never in the top job, ":))). Isn't it?

If this was told by american I would suspect simple ignorance but if by you the people who lived there and saw it by your own eyes then I suspect just it is simple manipulation to embelish ukranian nation and make them "victims" when they were perpetrators.


94 posted on 01/02/2006 1:48:52 AM PST by RusIvan ("THINK!" the motto of IBM)
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To: RusIvan

History of Soviet Union IS that of 20th century Russia [just as kolkhozy were 20th century reincarnation of older serfdom] - there is no discontinuity, mistake or ignorance there. Read Zinoviev on the subject, his works might be still available. 1917 revolution was 70% done by "natsmeny" of all kinds - revolutionaries had to come from the ranks of the disaffected, and Russian Empire was very effective in disaffecting its minorities. Majority nationalism reasserted itself only in Stalin's purges.


96 posted on 01/02/2006 2:27:35 AM PST by GSlob
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