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To: Right Wing Professor
The 'public will' is insufficient to override the Bill of Rights.

I think your concerns about repitition of arguments are unfounded, because now you're changing the focus of the discussion. You weren't talking about whether teaching ID violates the Bill of Rights (it doesn't), but whether it will somehow lead to the imposition of a Draconian theocracy on America.

No doubt you see me as paranoid; I see you as disingenuous.

You're being paranoid and disingenuous. You've completely ignored certain pertinent facts that have been presented to you, such as the fact that the trend has been moving in the opposite direction from the one you're talking about, that fanaticism like this doesn't just come about from mere normal political processes in a self-governing uncensored society, and that our historical experiences have demonstrated this.

265 posted on 01/04/2006 5:15:14 PM PST by inquest (If you favor any legal status for illegal aliens, then do not claim to be in favor of secure borders)
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To: inquest
You weren't talking about whether teaching ID violates the Bill of Rights (it doesn't)

At least one Federal Court disagrees with you.

but whether it will somehow lead to the imposition of a Draconian theocracy on America. You're being paranoid and disingenuous. You've completely ignored certain pertinent facts that have been presented to you, such as the fact that the trend has been moving in the opposite direction from the one you're talking about,

You haven't demonstrated this with any facts, You've asserted it.

In fact, trends have been moving towards more religion in public institutions - apart from the numerous and active creationist movements, we have renewed attempts to establish Ten Commandments monuments on public property, we have state funding of religious organizations, etc.

that fanaticism like this doesn't just come about from mere normal political processes in a self-governing uncensored society, and that our historical experiences have demonstrated this.

Au contraire. Where there is an strong and active fundamentalist movement, the universal experience has been that democracy leads to imposition of religious control of public life. This is evident in Turkey, in Algeria, and elsewhere in the Islamic world; it happened in England in the 17th century; it happened in Northern Ireland in the mid-20th century; to a limited extent it's happening in Europe now, where Islamic-dominated areas are allowed a lot of latitude by civil authorities in imposing Islamic customs.

266 posted on 01/05/2006 3:37:24 AM PST by Right Wing Professor (Liberals have hijacked science for long enough. Now it's our turn -- Tom Bethell)
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