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To: inquest
The CR people, whoever they are, are not going to be able to implement their agenda without provoking the strident opposition of the American people. It doesn't matter if the people accept ID in schools, or even school prayer or any other pre-Engel vs Vitale practice. The only way the Discovery Institute or the TMLC or anyone else like that can implement any of their goals is by getting public support. Without that, they're dead in the water. And they're not going to get public support for any kind of theocratic (by which I mean, above and beyond anything that's existed in this country for the past 100 years at least) government.

Yet the ACLU has been able to acheive its goals without public support.

You claim we would only go back to the 1960's. Why should they stop there? Why not to 1700?

One route to wider public acceptance for an intrusive role of religion in government is to obtain control of public schools. The American people, right now, would not accept the stoning of disobedient children or the execution of homosexuals and apostates. But they did once, and there's no reason to believe that their attitudes, having been changed once, could not be changed again.

260 posted on 01/04/2006 11:20:18 AM PST by Right Wing Professor (Liberals have hijacked science for long enough. Now it's our turn -- Tom Bethell)
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To: Right Wing Professor
Yet the ACLU has been able to acheive its goals without public support.

The ACLU uses the courts to override the will of the people. It also has the media in its pocket.

One route to wider public acceptance for an intrusive role of religion in government is to obtain control of public schools. The American people, right now, would not accept the stoning of disobedient children or the execution of homosexuals and apostates. But they did once, and there's no reason to believe that their attitudes, having been changed once, could not be changed again.

But these people are nowhere close to obtaining control of public schools. And furthermore, history shows that religious (or other) extremism doesn't take hold of a country in normal times, but rather in abnormal, crisis-ridden times. And if we should be faced with a crisis of the type that historically has given rise to it, then it'll happen whether it's sanctified by the establishment or not (in fact not being sanctified can accelerate it, as in the case of the American Puritanism that you referred to in your post). It's far too distant and theoretical a concern for it to be taken seriously as a matter of public policy, especially when the trend is so manifestly in the opposite direction.

And it's also comparatively easy to use public schools and popular media to entice people, and especially children, to socialism, multiculturalism, and other "feel-good" stuff. A lot harder to entice them to Draconian religious impositions. Accomplishing that requires a whole different set of prerequisites that just don't exist in the U.S. today.

261 posted on 01/04/2006 2:15:05 PM PST by inquest (If you favor any legal status for illegal aliens, then do not claim to be in favor of secure borders)
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To: Right Wing Professor
You claim we would only go back to the 1960's. Why should they stop there? Why not to 1700?

1709? By then America was no longer hanging "witches"

285 posted on 01/05/2006 10:01:49 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (Free Speech is not for everyone, If you don't like it, then don't use it)
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To: Right Wing Professor
One route to wider public acceptance for an intrusive role of religion in government is to obtain control of public schools. The American people, right now, would not accept the stoning of disobedient children or the execution of homosexuals and apostates. But they did once, and there's no reason to believe that their attitudes, having been changed once, could not be changed again.

Uh, no, they didn't. Even Hester Prynne wasn't stoned to death.

Two can play this game. You want to attack religious believers? Well then, the Communists are your allies. Don't like being tarred with that brush? Then you should take a bit more care in your distinctions.

286 posted on 01/05/2006 11:49:42 PM PST by Alain Chartier
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