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They'd take Halifax (then we'd kill Kenny) [U.S. invasion plans for Canada]
The Globe and Mail ^ | 12/31/05 | SHAWN MCCARTHY

Posted on 12/31/2005 11:02:13 AM PST by doc30

They'd take Halifax (then we'd kill Kenny)

By SHAWN MCCARTHY Saturday, December 31, 2005 Posted at 10:00 AM EST From Saturday's Globe and Mail

NEW YORK — We called their President a moron, and they called us the "retarded cousin." Their ambassador warned about the repercussions of aggressive rhetoric, and our Prime Minister aggressively asserted we will not be "dictated to."

In another age -- or in a Marx Brothers movie -- the escalation of insults and diplomatic contretemps could lead to only one thing: "Of course you know," Groucho famously intoned, "this means war."

It was one of a series of such contingency plans produced in the late 1920s. Canada, identified as Crimson, would be invaded to prevent the Britons from using it as a staging ground to attack the United States.

But having successfully captured Canada, the military planners had no intention of giving it up. "Blue [the Americans'] intentions are to hold in perpetuity all CRIMSON and RED territory gained," they wrote in an appendix.

The plan was withdrawn in 1939, declassified in 1974 and had gone largely unnoticed in a grey box at the National Archives until The Post, echoing the call-to-arms one hears from the drum-bangers at Fox News and elsewhere, resuscitated it under the headline, "Raiding the icebox."

The Post writer helpfully noted the presence of a potential fifth column in the Americans' midst, and chortled at the prospect of Celine Dion and Mike Myers being carted off to Guantanamo Bay in orange jumpsuits.

Canadian officials, predictably, refused to take seriously the report of a 75-year-old U.S. invasion plan.

"We found it amusing, and we'll just have to make sure that our plans are up to date as well," laughed Jasmine Panthaky, a spokeswoman for the Canadian embassy in Washington.

"From time to time, this thing does come up. I guess it's one of those curiosities in the relationship, given that we've been in the news a fair bit. . . . This is just a question of something that has resonance at a time when Canada is receiving its 15 minutes of fame."

Clearly, there are some U.S. radar screens you'd rather not be on.

Having once promised to repair a strained relationship, Prime Minister Paul Martin has apparently decided that an election campaign is a good time to chide the Bush administration for its failings. The U.S. ambassador to Canada, David Wilkins, responded in kind, urging the Prime Minister to cool the rhetoric or face repercussions -- a message to which Mr. Martin responded like a big-league slugger hitting a batting-practice lob over the fence.

The professional stirrers of strife on U.S. cable channels briefly focused on Canada and didn't like want they saw. MSNBC's Tucker Carlson said that all the intelligent Canadians had long since moved to New York and likened the country to a "retarded cousin." On Fox News, where embattled anger is the abiding emotion, talk show host Neil Cavuto said Canadians had "gotten too big for their britches" and may soon be an enemy of the United States.

Which brings us back to that 1930s-era invasion plan.

It starts with a seaborne assault on Halifax to cut Canada off from its British ally. A later version, approved in 1935, allowed for first-strike use of poison gas and strategic bombing of the city, if necessary.

It also posits that the U.S. invading forces take out Niagara Falls, seize Sudbury's strategic nickel mines, capture Winnipeg as the critical east-west rail juncture and attack Vancouver to deprive the British of a West Coast maritime base.

The 94-page document is rather long on geographic information -- important ports, main industries, transportation links -- and on published assessments of Canadian military strength. But it is rather skimpy on tactical details of a theoretical invasion.

Canada had its own plan, written nine years earlier, to counter a U.S. attack by invading the northern United States.

Likely, few Americans have spent time worrying about a Canadian invasion, other than in comedy clubs.

But the existence of War Plan - Red fed the imaginations of those Canadians who worried about the world's longest undefended border.

They believed that the Americans had always had a covetous view of their resource-rich country, and that the United States was always poised to invade if the opportunity arose.

The chief proponent of the invasion theorists is Floyd Rudmin, a U.S.-born, former Queen's University social psychology professor who has since decamped to the University of Tromso in Norway.

In the early 1990s, Prof. Rudmin wrote several articles -- much amplified in the Toronto Star -- on the U.S. expansion of Fort Drum in northern New York, arguing that the Americans were preparing to intervene if Canada experienced serious instability as a result of a Quebec secessionist movement.

Prof. Rudmin was critical of what he dubbed "the blind eye perspective" that Canadians maintained toward what he saw as obvious U.S. hostility toward its northern neighbour.

But as The Post noted, Canadians can probably relax for the foreseeable future, despite the bluster from the pundits. The U.S. military is otherwise occupied at the moment. Or are they just practising?

Battle plans

U.S. Joint Army and Navy

Basic War Plan -- Red

Key strategies

Capture Halifax to block British reinforcements

Seize key Winnipeg rail junction

Cut power by assault on Niagara Falls

March from Michigan to Sudbury nickel mines

Blockade both coasts

Use secret airbases to control airspace over Ontario

Victory

U.S. annexes captured territory

Canadian Defence

Scheme No. 1

Key strategies

Pre-emptive strikes from sea to sea

On word of U.S. invasion plan, Canadian forces would move to capture Spokane, Great Falls, Minneapolis, Buffalo, Albany and parts of Maine.

In face of U.S. counterattack, Canadian forces would retreat, blowing up bridges and railways, buying time until reinforcements from Britain could arrive.

Victory

Canada keeps Alaska

Perhaps as a public service to their side, The Washington Post yesterday dusted off a 75-year-old U.S. plan to invade Canada, offering it as a contrast to the situation in Iraq, where, it suggested, there was no plan.

First approved in 1930, Joint Army and Navy Basic War Plan - Red was drawn up to defend the United States in the event of war with Britain.


TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: attack; canada; invasion; war
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To: doc30
The old media should be up in arms. These plans were developed and endorsed under saint FDR that the Canadians are trashing his legacy of defending all that is right and good!

As to the question "Has Canadian-American relations reached a new low?" , first of all, it should be "have," not has.

Second, Canada isn't a country. It's a polyglot of those who didn't have the courage to throw off the yolk of old Europe when we did, or those (mostly in the west) who were too far away for it to be an issue. The so called nation of Canada didn't act to free itself until old Europe's control fell away of its own accord because it was too weak after WE had beaten it down to no longer be a threat in at least two wars. Then they "rose up" and threw off the yolk of their masters... in the 1960s. Oh, goody.

Americans trace many of their ideas and ideals to European roots (but by no mean exclusively), but have rejected the remainder of that effete and failed culture. Ben Franklin is quoted as saying "“We’ve spawned a new race here... Rougher, simpler, more violent, more enterprising, less refined. We’re a new nationality." We are proud of that distinction for it rejects the European grotesque of the day which still holds true that they are somehow "civilized" and all others are "barbarians." Many of those who "proudly" call themselves "Canadians" are euroweenies of the first order and should promptly return to their homes in Europe, relinquishing the lands that they stole from their betters, and leave the continent to those fit to inhabit it.

(oh, am I going to get flamed for that hyperbole!)

To those justifiably proud Canadians who share equal contempt for the Ottawa liberals I sincerely apologize if this has in any way offended you. That was explicitly NOT my intent. You are who you are, and the central government has both little to do with that and even more contempt for you than they do us neighbors to the south.

By the way, to Canadians who might be offended by this post, I'm a big fan of Oliver Wiswell, so read that before you comment...

61 posted on 12/31/2005 2:46:06 PM PST by Phsstpok (There are lies, damned lies, statistics and presentation graphics, in descending order of truth)
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To: doc30

http://www.bivouacbooks.com/bbv2i3s6.htm

The Irish Invasion of Canada
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
There is a Fenian flag in the Bflo & Erie County Historical Society.
Its fragile condition precludes display. A B&W picture is on display at the National Museum of Ireland.


62 posted on 12/31/2005 2:57:34 PM PST by Peelod (Decentia est fragilis. Curatoribus validis indiget.)
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To: doc30

Kill Kenny? Kill Kenny? Why you ignorant Canukistani's! Do you realize how many bored, heavily armed shooters there are down here in Colorado? Thousands! Besides, you'd get mugged by the illegals long before you reached South Park. Kill Kenny indeed!


63 posted on 12/31/2005 3:12:08 PM PST by dljordan
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To: dljordan

"You Canadian Bastards!"

64 posted on 12/31/2005 3:47:09 PM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (The Democratic Party-Jackass symbol, jackass leaders, jackass supporters.)
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To: doc30

I'm not for an outright invasion Canada because that would mean having to assimilate all those loonies. Best to just do what we do and ignore them. If they wan't to play with us then they'll just have to shape up.


65 posted on 12/31/2005 3:52:38 PM PST by right-wingin_It
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To: CaptainCanada
Those folks you are referring to are Liberal Democrats, not Americans. Those traitors are not in charge now. The mutts who run your country are of the same shade of yellow as the Liberals here in the States who hate their own country. In fact, Canadians will do anything to undermine the security of the US. They even encourage their children who play hockey to threaten US hockey players in a sporting event as a demonstration of their disagreement with the US over the IRAQ War. This from a people who cannot defend their own sovereignty against hoodlums with guns without taking away the right to bear arms from the few Canadians who have the guts to fight back. How pathetic!!!
67 posted on 12/31/2005 5:35:11 PM PST by wmileo
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To: wmileo
Those folks you are referring to are Liberal Democrats, not Americans.

You mean Liberal Democrats are the only people who shop at Walmart?

68 posted on 12/31/2005 5:41:10 PM PST by Snowyman
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To: wmileo
They even encourage their children who play hockey to threaten US hockey players in a sporting event
as a demonstration of their disagreement with the US over the IRAQ.....

Huh? Where the hell did that come from??
Our kids play tough hockey and my guess is they don't give politics
or international issues any thought.
Sounds like y'all a bit paranoid, dude.
Go get a bottle of beer and chill out, eh?

69 posted on 12/31/2005 6:05:17 PM PST by CaptainCanada (A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Its curious that the Canadians are talking about disarming the population
when this dire threat hangs over them from the south.

Excellent observation...
It seems to me that the Yankees may be more clever and devious
than we suspected. My guess is that the American invasion plan involved
several additional phases yet to be made public.
The Yanks knew Canada to be a Nation of tough folks, Lumberjacks,
oil men, farmers, hunters, fishermen.
There was no way they would want their milk-and-toast sissy boys go up against
the killers of seal pups.
So they devised a clever plan which included overwhelming Canada with
American Liberal culture beginning with Hollywood movies, pop music and
flooding our TV channel with all the American networks (ABC, NBC,
CBS, CNN, etal) knowing full well that the Ophrafication of Canada
would lead to the kind of mamby-pamby socialized do-gooder society
Canada has become which of course leads to voluntarily
disarming ourselves of objects which may inflict harm on others.
My guess is that the plan call for invasion once Canadians voluntarily give
up their Hockey sticks.

70 posted on 12/31/2005 6:28:44 PM PST by CaptainCanada (A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away.)
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To: doc30

The military likes writing contingency plans. It gives officers something to do to occupy their time between real work


71 posted on 12/31/2005 6:34:22 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the hubris to think they will be the planners)
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To: hippiechild
That is the sort of mindless comment I would expect from the left. Do you really think it is ok to go around invading countries when there is no clear and present danger? I realize that many things on Free Republic are written half in jest but puleeeze.

We just like to fantasize about being the new Mongol hordes. The US's problem is that our troops don't get to pillage enough

72 posted on 12/31/2005 6:40:02 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the hubris to think they will be the planners)
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To: Skylab
Think it was to be after the war between north and south, and NOT for support to the Confederacy - potato famine, plantation of Ireland, and such.
(Oft said that there'd be no "troubles" or IRA if there were no Irish in New York and Boston)
73 posted on 12/31/2005 6:52:49 PM PST by norton
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To: r9etb
"At any rate, it always makes good military sense (and it's good training) to make invasion plans for your neighbors, no matter how unlikely it'd be to have to exercise them."

I'm sure we still have bombing charts programmed and E&E plans in place for every major city on the globe.

74 posted on 12/31/2005 6:55:58 PM PST by norton
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To: Lazamataz
Looks like somebody broke into your office. LOL!

Happy New Year!

5.56mm

75 posted on 12/31/2005 6:57:42 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: doc30

"Of course you know," Groucho famously intoned, "this means war."


I love that movie!


76 posted on 12/31/2005 6:58:47 PM PST by hubbubhubbub
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To: CaptainCanada

It is not your kids who play hockey but their parents who are cowardly. The kids just follow directions from their coaches and parents. The same adults who will be wetting their pants at the sight of a real threat.
When the Liberals are victorious in the next election, they will use any excuse to try to hurt the USA. In doing so, the Canadians will only hurt themselves. The support of the USA is the only reason why your poor excuse for a country still exists.


77 posted on 01/01/2006 7:21:49 AM PST by wmileo
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To: Snowyman
"You mean Liberal Democrats are the only people who shop at Walmart?"

The US is not threatened by folks who shop at Walmart.
78 posted on 01/01/2006 7:24:32 AM PST by wmileo
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To: doc30
As I posted before this is a good article.

Except it is not news.

It is the Globe and Mail and the Washington Post going to bat for Liberals during the most important Canadian election in years.

It will be interesting to see if the Liberal press in Canada can hold it together for the left wingers this time around.

The anti-American left has power and control in Canada and they play with a very heavy hand.

Never mind that it is illogical to disarm your own citizens when there are imminent threats from the USA, this fear mongering pays off for the left wingers all the time.

Conservatives in Canada need to watch their backs this next month.

Freepers Unite.

Free Canada!

Call the Globes and the Posts bluff on another obvious attempt to manipulate the voters in Canada.

We should be prepared as there will be endless amounts of Liberal propaganda in the Canadian "news" this month.

79 posted on 01/01/2006 8:39:50 AM PST by concrete is my business (prepare the sub grade, then select the mix design)
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To: CaptainCanada

It began when Time started to outsell MacCleans. Then there was no turning back.


80 posted on 01/01/2006 8:57:05 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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