Telling me to shut the hell up is a rather immature way of expressing your dissatisfaction with my opinion.
Our guys expect torture and decapitation if they are caught by the enemy. When they catch the guys that have killed their buddies or were planting IEDs, they are angry. If I caught the scumbags who are bombing us, I would do the same.
We put these boys in harm's way. In a war zone. Nobody knows how they will act or react in a war zone where bodies are burning and some of those bodies belonged to your friends.
I've been shot at, and it freaks me out every time. I go nuts. I get really mean. I understand these guys.
We need really mean people in war zones, not bleeding hearts. Turn him loose quietly.
The presstitutes that leaked this story instead of reporting it to our brass should be shot.
No, it is my way of making clear to you my vehement desire for people like you to quit pretending that Abu Ghraib was no big deal. Just because it isn't typical behavior of the American soldier, or just because it is not even a hundredth as bad as the things terrorists do doesn't mean it should be excused.
Our guys expect torture and decapitation if they are caught by the enemy. When they catch the guys that have killed their buddies or were planting IEDs, they are angry. If I caught the scumbags who are bombing us, I would do the same.
First...You would stack guys in a naked prisoner pyramid? You would have sex with a fellow soldier in front of them? You would put panties on their head? Have you seen anybody professional about these desires?
Yeah, Graner and England were really out for revenge, that's why he scrogged the heck out of her in front of the prisoners. Puhleeeezze! Abu Ghraib wasn't about revenge, it was about perversion and playground bully jollies. The idea that you can link that to IED's but you can't seem to link it to actual combat action that resulted from itis just plain silly.
We put these boys in harm's way. In a war zone. Nobody knows how they will act or react in a war zone where bodies are burning and some of those bodies belonged to your friends.
What's your point here? How does that have anything to do with whether any soldier should be punished for misconduct? Why does it have anything to do with Abu Ghraib? As far as I know, Graner, England and company were not involved in any sort of serious combat action that would traumatize them. Can you come up with some info on them being in the thick of things, or are you just going to keep pretending that combat fatigue causes people to produce porn?
I've been shot at, and it freaks me out every time. I go nuts. I get really mean. I understand these guys.
You understand the urge to create naked prisoner pyramids? Bully for you. Last time I checked, there were about 135,000 other troops over there who never did anything like this, and I know for sure that a lot of them were shot at, or were near an IED, or had a buddy die, etc. Yet, you excuse the behavior of these seven idiots. Why? Because they are doing what so many other soldiers would have the urge to do? That's crap. Graner, for instance, has no combat record. During the Gulf War he guarded prisoners. England has no comabt record and wasn't even a real MP. Again, got any info on any of these people being exposed to combat conditions?
We need really mean people in war zones, not bleeding hearts.
I didn't know that deciding not to use prisoners in your personal porn videos was a sign of a "bleeding heart." Nobody's punishing these guys because they didn't give the prisoner's cookies when they tucked them in. They're being punished because they did things that were 180 degrees out from standing orders.
What we need is people who act like soldiers. My buddy who went over and my nephew are both very nice people, but they know how to gut someone and not worry too hard about it, too. Both of them saw some very nasty things, and I can imagine either one of them killing a boatload of terrorists. But I really can't imagine them playing sex games with a prisoner, much less whining about the consequences. They're soldiers.
Turn him loose quietly.
What message does that send to their fellow soldiers? "Hey, screw around, disobey orders and put your fellow soldiers in danger, and we'll just let you loose because you couldn't help yourself, you poor baby." How iwll that help order and discipline? Will their comrades think that's justice? How about my local guys who got mortared over it? How will they feel?
The presstitutes that leaked this story instead of reporting it to our brass should be shot.
It's true the press should never have promoted this, but that doesn't change who was responsible for it in the first place, nor does it change the punishment they deserve.
Oh, and normally I don't care about whether somebody who is commenting on the war served or not, but I think that given your comments on getting shot at and getting mean, you should divulge where and how you served.