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UK to take up Russian Hindu cause
HindustanTimes.com ^ | December 29, 2005 | Nabanita Sircar

Posted on 12/29/2005 4:24:45 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

The campaign against the alleged harassment of Hindus in Russia by the Orthodox Church and the Mayor of Moscow is getting more intense in Britain.

Ashok Kumar, MP is launching the "Defend Russian Hindus Campaign" at the House of Commons in January.

There was umbrage here when it was learnt that Archbishop Nikon wrote a letter to the Mayor of Moscow urging him not to allow the construction of a Hindu temple in Moscow because according to him, Lord Krishna who is worshipped by the Hindu community was an "evil demon".

"Such untenable words in an age where interfaith harmony is the need of the day are nothing but an attempt to malign and persecute a faith community that teaches respect and freedom for every other faith community, " commented Ramesh Kallidai, Secretary General Hindu Forum of Britain, an umbrella organisation of most community groups in Britain.

The Defend Russian Hindus Campaign, launched by the Hindu Forum of Britain, Hindu Council UK, National Council of Hindu Temples UK, International Society for Krishna Consciousness, Vishwa Hindu Parishad UK, Hindu Council of Australia, Hindu American Foundation and many other worldwide Hindu organisations, aims to build awareness about the alleged persecution and discrimination against Russian Hindus by a corpus of the Russian Orthodox Church and the Mayor of Moscow, despite support from the Central Government.

There are over 100,000 Hindus in Russia. In Moscow alone, there are 5,000 Hindus of Indian origin and over 10,000 Hindus of Russian origin.

Two years ago the Mayor of Russia asked Hindus to vacate their temple in exchange for a piece of land on which they could build a bigger temple. After land was allocated to the Hindu temple, the original temple was demolished. The Russian Orthodox Church orchestrated mass protests against the allocation of land and started a misinformation campaign against Hindus in the media.

On October 30, 2005, after bowing down to pressure from the Orthodox Church, the Mayor of Moscow cancelled the land order and took away the piece of land given for the construction of the Hindu temple. Now, the 15,000 Hindus in Moscow have no place to worship. The consecrated Deities of Radha and Krishna will have no home, say the Hindu leaders.

Kallidai said around the time of India Prime Minister's state visit to Moscow to meet Russian President Putin, Archbishop Nikon, a leader of the Russian Orthodox Church, called the Hindu God, Lord Krishna an "evil demon, the personified power of hell opposing God", and "a livid lascivious youth".


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: greatbritain; hindus; india; luzhkov; russia; uk; unitedkingdom
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To: x5452

Krishna was a low cast son of a cowherd.


61 posted on 12/30/2005 7:48:27 AM PST by Gengis Khan
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To: x5452
"The illuminated sage regards with equal mind an illuminated, selfless Brahmin, a cow, an elephant, a dog, and even an outcaste who eats the flesh of dogs. Those who thus preserve an equal mind gain heaven even in this life, for the Supreme is free from sin and equal-minded; therefore they rest in the Supreme Spirit. The man who knoweth the Supreme Spirit, who is not deluded, and who is fixed on him, doth not rejoice at obtaining what is pleasant, nor grieve when meeting what is unpleasant.

He whose heart is not attached to objects of sense finds pleasure within himself, and, through devotion, united with the Supreme, enjoys imperishable bliss. For those enjoyments which arise through the contact of the senses with external objects are wombs of pain, since they have a beginning and an end; O son of Kunti, the wise man delighteth not in these.

He who, while living in this world and before the liberation of the soul from the body, can resist the impulse arising from desire and anger is a devotee and blessed. The man who is happy within himself, who is illuminated within, is a devotee, and partaking of the nature of the Supreme Spirit, he is merged in it. Such illuminated sages whose sins are exhausted, who are free from delusion, who have their senses and organs under control, and devoted to the good of all creatures, obtain assimilation with the Supreme Spirit. (10) Assimilation with the Supreme Spirit is on both sides of death for those who are free from desire and anger, temperate, of thoughts restrained; and who are acquainted with the true Self.

-Krishna, in the Bhagwad Gita.

62 posted on 12/30/2005 7:48:39 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: x5452
Schizoid Christians...never satisfied.

Do they want to suffer for Christ, or not??

How can one read the article you've posted and keep a straight face?

63 posted on 12/30/2005 7:51:57 AM PST by ARridgerunner
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To: x5452

Yeah right, go on to Naxalit websites and pick up all kinds of anti-Hindu/anti-India propagandist tripe.

If I need to pick anti-Russian articles it would only be a google search away.


64 posted on 12/30/2005 7:53:35 AM PST by Gengis Khan
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To: little jeremiah

You've gotta join this...


65 posted on 12/30/2005 7:54:09 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: CarrotAndStick

I don't see where it speaks on the treatment of Dalits there.


66 posted on 12/30/2005 7:54:12 AM PST by x5452
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To: Gengis Khan

Are Dalit women raped daily or not?


67 posted on 12/30/2005 7:54:52 AM PST by x5452
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To: Grzegorz 246

From the link you posted:

Observer States
Bosnia and Herzegovina, Republic of 1994
Central African Republic 1997
Thailand, Kingdom of 1998
Russian Federation 2005


These are listed separetly from member states.


68 posted on 12/30/2005 7:56:07 AM PST by x5452
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To: Gengis Khan
LOL. You tell 'em GK. Some "Christians" really seem to have forgotten the message of tolerance and charity from Christ himself.

Aren't the Kali/Thuggee comments great? A significant amount of Hindus come here (Austin, TX) to go to school. Overwhelmingly they have been some of the smartest, most decent people I've met. Anyway, you know most Christian Americans don't think the way a few Bible-thumpers on this thread do.
69 posted on 12/30/2005 7:57:25 AM PST by BJClinton (Mommas don't let your babies grow up to be sheepherders...)
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To: x5452
"The illuminated sage regards with equal mind an illuminated, selfless Brahmin, a cow, an elephant, a dog, and even an outcaste who eats the flesh of dogs.
70 posted on 12/30/2005 7:57:30 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: BJClinton

We know that. In fact, ask an Indian Christian and he'll tell you half the audience in any church in India comprises of Hindus. This is rarely known. Compare the same with the mosques in India. Almost no Hindu, leave alone Christian, would find it safe to go inside one of those, unless if it were owned by the Archaelogical Survey of India, and displayed as an exhibit!


71 posted on 12/30/2005 8:00:35 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: x5452

Absolutely not.


72 posted on 12/30/2005 8:00:56 AM PST by Gengis Khan
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To: Gengis Khan
BTW proud to be a "pagan" "Hindu Demon Worshippers".

I'll meet that and call one more, and also very proud to be an INFIDEL!

BTW, my great-grandfather flushed the Thugs in India as related at How the British Broke the Thugs of India
[How to Apply Those Methods Against Terrorists]
Sir William Henry Sleeman: 1788 - 1856

73 posted on 12/30/2005 8:01:09 AM PST by BullDog108 ("Conservatives believe in God. Liberals think they are God." ---Ann Coulter)
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To: BJClinton

They're just driving a wedge, but most know better.


74 posted on 12/30/2005 8:01:36 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: BJClinton

And that goes for the odd racist Hindu who incites violence against Christians too. Not just the thumpers.


75 posted on 12/30/2005 8:03:26 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: CarrotAndStick

Apparently the average hindu isn't an illuminated sage.


76 posted on 12/30/2005 8:03:30 AM PST by x5452
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To: Gengis Khan

Several sites report that at least 2 Dalit women are raped per day in India. If you can find different statistics I'll consider them.


77 posted on 12/30/2005 8:06:04 AM PST by x5452
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To: x5452

Apparantly, and if this has escaped you like the Halley's Comet, the average Hindu doesn't go about killing Dalits. Only the b@stardly fringe does. KKK-like.


78 posted on 12/30/2005 8:06:09 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

What about defending Christian rights in Great Britain?


79 posted on 12/30/2005 8:09:42 AM PST by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis)
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To: x5452; A. Pole; BullDog108

From BullDog108's source:


William Sleeman's life was an odyssey of tremendous sacrifice and determination, sustained by sound scholarship, an irreproachable character, and a love for the people he served. More importantly for today, his life and methods provide instructive examples for modern patriots who would fight the conspiratorial evils that threaten us.

The history of secret societies and conspiratorial organizations seldom offers much cause for optimism as to the likelihood of their exposure and defeat. Their existence and influence are generally marginalized or denied outright by "responsible" scholarship. Yet in Thugee there is solid documentation of an immensely powerful and widespread secret society that lasted for at least 600 years, with possible evidence for much greater antiquity. This in itself is quite significant, inasmuch as the Western view of conspiratorial organizations, when their existence is acknowledged at all, is that they are typically of brief duration and negligible influence.

Moreover, on those rare occasions when conspiracies and combinations have been exposed, they have all too often succeeded in merely going underground, metamorphosing and emerging anew after a "decent" interval, to resume their subversive, murderous activities. This apparently was the case with the Cathars, the Templars, the Bavarian Illuminati, and, of course, with the American communists and their sponsors following the McCarthy era.


80 posted on 12/30/2005 8:13:00 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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