UK to take up Russian Hindu cause

HindustanTimes.com ^ | December 29, 2005 | Nabanita Sircar

[Tailgunner Joe]

The campaign against the alleged harassment of Hindus in Russia by the Orthodox Church and the Mayor of Moscow is getting more intense in Britain.

Ashok Kumar, MP is launching the "Defend Russian Hindus Campaign" at the House of Commons in January.

There was umbrage here when it was learnt that Archbishop Nikon wrote a letter to the Mayor of Moscow urging him not to allow the construction of a Hindu temple in Moscow because according to him, Lord Krishna who is worshipped by the Hindu community was an "evil demon".

"Such untenable words in an age where interfaith harmony is the need of the day are nothing but an attempt to malign and persecute a faith community that teaches respect and freedom for every other faith community, " commented Ramesh Kallidai, Secretary General Hindu Forum of Britain, an umbrella organisation of most community groups in Britain.

The Defend Russian Hindus Campaign, launched by the Hindu Forum of Britain, Hindu Council UK, National Council of Hindu Temples UK, International Society for Krishna Consciousness, Vishwa Hindu Parishad UK, Hindu Council of Australia, Hindu American Foundation and many other worldwide Hindu organisations, aims to build awareness about the alleged persecution and discrimination against Russian Hindus by a corpus of the Russian Orthodox Church and the Mayor of Moscow, despite support from the Central Government.

There are over 100,000 Hindus in Russia. In Moscow alone, there are 5,000 Hindus of Indian origin and over 10,000 Hindus of Russian origin.

Two years ago the Mayor of Russia asked Hindus to vacate their temple in exchange for a piece of land on which they could build a bigger temple. After land was allocated to the Hindu temple, the original temple was demolished. The Russian Orthodox Church orchestrated mass protests against the allocation of land and started a misinformation campaign against Hindus in the media.

On October 30, 2005, after bowing down to pressure from the Orthodox Church, the Mayor of Moscow cancelled the land order and took away the piece of land given for the construction of the Hindu temple. Now, the 15,000 Hindus in Moscow have no place to worship. The consecrated Deities of Radha and Krishna will have no home, say the Hindu leaders.

Kallidai said around the time of India Prime Minister's state visit to Moscow to meet Russian President Putin, Archbishop Nikon, a leader of the Russian Orthodox Church, called the Hindu God, Lord Krishna an "evil demon, the personified power of hell opposing God", and "a livid lascivious youth".

[CarrotAndStick]

Even the people reported to commit the crimes against Christian advocate the abolishment of the caste "system".

http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=59891


Work towards eradicating untouchability: RSS

Press Trust of India
Posted online: Monday, December 12, 2005 at 1124 hours IST


Mumbai, December 12: RSS head K S Sudarshan urged RSS members to strive towards eradicating untouchability in the country.



"Efforts should be made to wipe out the barriers of caste and creed and also to include the socially outcast into the mainstream of society," Sudarshan said while addressing RSS volunteers at Shivaji park in central Mumbai on Sunday evening.

Sudarshan said stalwarts like Mahatma Gandhi and Babasaheb Ambedkar, who had attended RSS programmes, had been impressed by the working of the Sangh.

RSS had in its own way, played a part in the struggle for India’s Independence, Sudarshan, the fifth sarsanghchalak of RSS, said.



"At that time, our organisational strength was mostly in Madhya Pradesh and Maharashtra. So, the RSS members participated in the freedom struggle in their individual capacity," Sudarshan said.

RSS volunteers had taken initiative in giving asylum to`satyagrahis' during the freedom struggle, the Sangh chief, who arrived here in the afternoon, said.

BJP leaders Pramod Mahajan and Gopinath Munde participated in the programme as members of the audience.

[TexConfederate1861]

Good for you...I suggest you immigrate to the land where you can practice your pagan demon-worship with others who do so....

[TexConfederate1861]

You need to quit reading propaganda..Baptists are the farthest thing from terrorists you will ever find.

Of course, they don't tolerate Pagans, etc....

[TexConfederate1861]

Now...why am I not suprised to hear such a liberal comment?
Especially since it comes from "Moscow on the Colorado" or the "Peoples Republic of Austin"

Christianity doesn't always mean toleration, especially from demonic religons....

[Gengis Khan]

Stats > Crime > Rapes (per capita)

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Rank	Country	Amount  (top to bottom)
#1	South Africa	1.19538 per 1,000 people
#2	Seychelles	0.788294 per 1,000 people
#3	Australia	0.777999 per 1,000 people
#4	Montserrat	0.749384 per 1,000 people
#5	Canada	0.733089 per 1,000 people
#6	Jamaica	0.476608 per 1,000 people
#7	Zimbabwe	0.457775 per 1,000 people
#8	Dominica	0.34768 per 1,000 people
#9	United States	0.301318 per 1,000 people
#10	Iceland	0.246009 per 1,000 people
#11	Papua New Guinea	0.233544 per 1,000 people
#12	New Zealand	0.213383 per 1,000 people
#13	United Kingdom	0.142172 per 1,000 people
#14	Spain	0.140403 per 1,000 people
#15	France	0.139442 per 1,000 people
#16	Korea, South	0.12621 per 1,000 people
#17	Mexico	0.122981 per 1,000 people
#18	Norway	0.120836 per 1,000 people
#19	Costa Rica	0.118277 per 1,000 people
#20	Venezuela	0.115507 per 1,000 people
#21	Finland	0.110856 per 1,000 people
#22	Netherlands	0.100445 per 1,000 people
#23	Denmark	0.0914948 per 1,000 people
#24	Germany	0.0909731 per 1,000 people
#25	Bulgaria	0.0795973 per 1,000 people
#26	Chile	0.0782179 per 1,000 people
#27	Thailand	0.0626305 per 1,000 people
#28	Kyrgyzstan	0.0623785 per 1,000 people
#29	Poland	0.062218 per 1,000 people
#30	Sri Lanka	0.0599053 per 1,000 people
#31	Hungary	0.0588588 per 1,000 people
#32	Estonia	0.0547637 per 1,000 people
#33	Ireland	0.0542829 per 1,000 people
#34	Switzerland	0.0539458 per 1,000 people
#35	Belarus	0.0514563 per 1,000 people
#36	Uruguay	0.0512295 per 1,000 people
#37	Lithuania	0.0508757 per 1,000 people
#38	Malaysia	0.0505156 per 1,000 people
#39	Romania	0.0497089 per 1,000 people
#40	Czech Republic	0.0488234 per 1,000 people
#41	Russia	0.0486543 per 1,000 people
#42	Latvia	0.0454148 per 1,000 people
#43	Moldova	0.0448934 per 1,000 people
#44	Colombia	0.0433254 per 1,000 people
#45	Slovenia	0.0427648 per 1,000 people
#46	Italy	0.0402045 per 1,000 people
#47	Portugal	0.0364376 per 1,000 people
#48	Tunisia	0.0331514 per 1,000 people
#49	Zambia	0.0266383 per 1,000 people
#50	Ukraine	0.0244909 per 1,000 people
#51	Slovakia	0.0237525 per 1,000 people
#52	Mauritius	0.0219334 per 1,000 people
#53	Turkey	0.0180876 per 1,000 people
#54	Japan	0.017737 per 1,000 people
#55	Hong Kong	0.0150746 per 1,000 people
#56	India	0.0143187 per 1,000 people
#57	Qatar	0.0139042 per 1,000 people
#58	Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of	0.0132029 per 1,000 people
#59	Greece	0.0106862 per 1,000 people
#60	Georgia	0.0100492 per 1,000 people
#61	Armenia	0.00938652 per 1,000 people
#62	Indonesia	0.00567003 per 1,000 people
#63	Yemen	0.0038597 per 1,000 people
#64	Azerbaijan	0.00379171 per 1,000 people
#65	Saudi Arabia	0.00329321 per 1,000 people
	Weighted average:	0.1 per 1,000 people

 

 

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_rap_cap

 

India is way way down there at the bottom. Good find Carrot !

[CarrotAndStick]

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/nlft.htm

The National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT) was formed in December 1989 for the purpose of seceding from India in order to create an independent Christian fundamentalist state of Tripura. The group was banned under the Unlawful Activies Prevention Act of 1967.

The headquarters of NLFT is located in the Khagrachari district of Bangladesh, about 40-45 km southeast of Simanapur.

In Tripura a systematic surrender of arms by a faction of NLFT insurgents and NLFT fringe groups is due to the increased security pressure and to infighting within NLFT insurgent ranks. Since 2000 a few hundred militants have surrendered in small groups to the security forces, handing in their weapons. The NLFT leadership engaged in peace talks with Mizoram Chief Zoramthanga in April 2001, however the NLFT has not promised acceptance of any future peace process.

The NLFT has set up a number of camps in Bangladesh's Chittagong Hill Tracts (CHT), in the Sylhet, Maulavi Bazar, Habiganj and Comilla regions. NLFT also has ties with Pakistan’s external intelligence agency, the Inter Services Intelligence Agency (ISI).

[TexConfederate1861]

So what exactly is your point?

[CarrotAndStick]

The NLFT is trying to seccede from India. So, should India fight them?

[CarrotAndStick]

And my point was that those reports needn't always be propaganda.

[Gengis Khan]

Stats > Crime > Rapes

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Rank	Country	Amount  (top to bottom)
#1	United States	89,110
#2	South Africa	53,008
#3	Canada	24,049
#4	Australia	15,630
#5	India	15,468
#6	Mexico	13,061
#7	United Kingdom	8,593
#8	France	8,458
#9	Germany	7,499
#10	Russia	6,978
#11	Korea, South	6,139
#12	Spain	5,664
#13	Zimbabwe	5,567
#14	Thailand	4,020
#15	Venezuela	2,931
#16	Poland	2,399
#17	Italy	2,336
#18	Japan	2,260
#19	Colombia	1,861
#20	Netherlands	1,648
#21	Indonesia	1,372
#22	Jamaica	1,304
#23	Papua New Guinea	1,295
#24	Turkey	1,260
#25	Chile	1,250
#26	Malaysia	1,210
#27	Sri Lanka	1,202
#28	Ukraine	1,151
#29	Romania	1,110
#30	New Zealand	861
#31	Bulgaria	593
#32	Hungary	589
#33	Finland	579
#34	Norway	555
#35	Belarus	530
#36	Czech Republic	500
#37	Denmark	497
#38	Costa Rica	475
#39	Switzerland	404
#40	Portugal	385
#41	Tunisia	334
#42	Kyrgyzstan	321
#43	Zambia	300
#44	Ireland	218
#45	Moldova	200
#46	Lithuania	183
#47	Uruguay	175
#48	Slovakia	129
#49	Greece	114
#50	Latvia	104
#51	Hong Kong	104
#52	Saudi Arabia	87
#53	Slovenia	86
#54	Yemen	80
#55	Estonia	73
#56	Iceland	73
#57	Seychelles	64
#58	Georgia	47
#60	Azerbaijan	30
#61	Armenia	28
#62	Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of	27
#63	Mauritius	27
#64	Dominica	24
#65	Qatar	12
#66	Montserrat	7
	Total:	296,648
	Weighted average:	4,563.8

[BJClinton]

Christianity doesn't always mean toleration

Alrighty then. I wouldn't expect much more than that from a Confederate.

Psst, you lost. Slavery is illegal now. Get over it.

[BJClinton]

Of course violence/persecution against any non-violent faith is always wrong.

[Gengis Khan]

"I don't however disagree with the ArchBishop's statements, from a religious perspective he's wholely correct and justified, and he is a religious leader."

So I suppose you would not have much problem if a Hindu religious leader is to say similar things about Christianity.

Anyway I am least bothered about what an ignorant ArchBishop has to say about a religion he knows nothing about.

[CarrotAndStick]

There are Hindu separatists too, who want to secede because India is secular, and not "Hindu enough". Even they must be violently put down.

[Gengis Khan]

True Indians dont whine. Brits are a different lot altogether.

[x5452]

The commandment is no God's before the Lord.

If there's no other God's exactly what would you call dieties which are not the Christian God?

[CarrotAndStick]

That's a paradox for the Christians to worry about.

[Gengis Khan]

I already live in India and proudly practice my "pagan demon-worship" along with a billion others and dont give a rats ass about what people like you think of it.

[rpage3]

The exchanges on this thread show why organized religion is a scourge on the human race. Essentially what it all boils down to is, "my god is THE God and yours is some form of Satan." Well, who knows for sure? Why can't we all agree to disagree, live and let live and let people worship whatever, whoever and however they choose to?

Give it up people, this is the same sort of crap that feeds the Muslims.

With regard to the post itself, one would think that a man "of the cloth" will preach religious tolerance and love of all people regardless of how misguided he thinks their religious practices are. It may be that this is too much to ask of former Communists. Let the people have their temple unless your God (or your faith) is so insecure that it can't possibly deal with this.

Happy New Year folks.

[x5452]

I read it the first 2 times carrot posted it.

I'm skeptical at what is and isn't considered on the list but I haven't the time to find any alternative stats today, busy day at work.