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To: wideawake
John XII .... he behaved exactly like a typical petty nobleman of his day, instead of taking his responsibilities seriously.

Most petty noblemen drew the line at incest.

70 posted on 12/29/2005 7:48:28 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (so natural to mankind is intolerance in whatever they really care about - J S Mill)
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To: Oztrich Boy
There were sinful popes. There were also far more saintly popes. Your point is what?

Hypocrisy?

Catholics claim to be sinners in need of redemption and sanctification.

That there shouldn't be sinful clergy?

Jesus chose Judas as one of the original 12 Apostles.

Matthew 13:24-29

Jesus told them another parable: "The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.

"The owner's servants came to him and said, 'Sir, didn't you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?'

'An enemy did this,' he replied.

"The servants asked him, 'Do you want us to go and pull them up?'

" 'No,' he answered, 'because while you are pulling the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.' "


76 posted on 12/30/2005 4:29:40 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Oztrich Boy
Most petty noblemen drew the line at incest.

Except, of course, there is not the slightest bit of evidence that he did so.

And yes, one contemporary accused him of it - but one accusation by a personal enemy is one accusation by a personal enemy.

79 posted on 12/30/2005 5:00:58 AM PST by wideawake
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