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Tracking a genetic link to sexuality
FT. Wayne News-Sentinel, Knight Ridder Newspapers ^ | 12/29/05 | Faye Flam

Posted on 12/29/2005 10:21:24 AM PST by Dane

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To: thoughtomator
Either there is no "gay gene" or evolution as a theory is wrong.

How can you conclude that? Evolution allows for mutation. It even requires it. It's entirely possible that a mutation is responsible for homosexuality.

Of course, such a mutation might not get very far, but even homosexuals sometimes have children, so such mutations might be passed on.

21 posted on 12/29/2005 10:42:27 AM PST by mc6809e
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To: Phantom Lord
Which idol will they remain beholden to when people start aborting babies with the gay gene for that reason alone. Will they hold true to the abortion at all costs crowd, or will they hold true to the gay activists?

Shouldn't a women have a choice if she is going to be put through the trauma of raising a gay child. Right now any little inconvience to the mother justifies terminating the embryo. There is no reason why this is different. Either its a mothers choice or it is not.

22 posted on 12/29/2005 10:42:36 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Always Right

Ding - good summary.


23 posted on 12/29/2005 10:45:27 AM PST by Liberty Tree Surgeon
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To: Dane
When they find a gene detectable in utero for homosexuality abortions will be declared illegal.
24 posted on 12/29/2005 10:45:58 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: Dane

Hollywood the homosexual activist is using their propaganda movie Brokeback Mountain as a tool to say homosexuality is something you are born with and it is not a choice. Look at the theme of the movie which they wrote themselves – “Love is a Force of Nature”.
25 posted on 12/29/2005 10:46:14 AM PST by bulldozer
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To: Blzbba
Or the 'gay gene' is a genetic mutation and thus, a disease.

And not thus a disease.

Here's a clue for you: mutations aren't always bad for the organism. Sometimes they're actually improvements.

Not that homosexuality is an improvement, mind you. It's just that declaring all mutations disease is wrong.

26 posted on 12/29/2005 10:46:22 AM PST by mc6809e
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To: mc6809e
How can you conclude that? Evolution allows for mutation. It even requires it. It's entirely possible that a mutation is responsible for homosexuality.

More often molestation.

27 posted on 12/29/2005 10:47:27 AM PST by Always Right
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To: mc6809e

Well, that's the point - any "gay gene" mutation would be exceedingly rare, as it strikes right at the heart of what makes natural selection work - reproduction. Some homosexuals may have children... not a heck of a lot of them, though, and certainly not enough to represent 1% of the population. The very nature of such a gene would cause it to be on the losing end of the natural selection process.


28 posted on 12/29/2005 10:48:47 AM PST by thoughtomator (Congrats Iraq!)
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To: mc6809e
Not that homosexuality is an improvement, mind you.

That is arguable if you put a lot of value in having nicely decorated rooms and designer shoes.

29 posted on 12/29/2005 10:49:03 AM PST by Always Right
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To: cvq3842
Many behaviors may indeed have a genetic component - left-handedness, obesity, alcoholism, etc. Some behaviors are discouraged, others tolerated. Some are deemed to be health risks.

Let's say there's a "gay gene." That does not necessarily answer the many questions currently being discussed. Not by a longshot.

AMEN!!!! I believe if there's a gay gene there's most likely a serial killer or pedophile gene as well. Now I'm not saying being gay is the same as a serial killer, but you see the spectrum and the slippery slope. Next will be beastiality is legal, then sex with minors--after all they were born that way.

But as the article says there's not really one gene that "forces" you to be gay, but it's a combination of environment and genetics. And in today's environment we are encouraging people to be gay, so more and more with the gene will become gay. Will the same happen with other behaviors that are seen as reprehensible today? Slippery slope applies here big-time.

30 posted on 12/29/2005 10:49:17 AM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: for-q-clinton

I know what you mean!


31 posted on 12/29/2005 10:50:59 AM PST by cvq3842
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To: Always Right

...not to mention those Faaaaah-bew-lisssssss cocktail parties...

R3


32 posted on 12/29/2005 10:52:52 AM PST by RedRightReturn (Even a broken clock is right twice a day...)
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It is difficult to get funding for anything related to sex??

That certainly didn't impede the discovery of Viagara and all its clones !!


33 posted on 12/29/2005 10:53:14 AM PST by imintrouble
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To: Dane

It occurred to me one day when I was twelve or thirteen that girls weren't a dead loss after all, whereupon I became, er, preoccupied, for several years. I suppose the sap could have risen up the other branch just as well, and I've never seen the fact that it didn't as any credit to me, or any shame to those in whom it did.

To tell the truth, I find sexual deviancy a little boring; there are more important things to worry about, some of which have the virtue of actually being our business.


34 posted on 12/29/2005 10:55:32 AM PST by Grut
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To: thoughtomator
Well, that's the point - any "gay gene" mutation would be exceedingly rare, as it strikes right at the heart of what makes natural selection work - reproduction. Some homosexuals may have children... not a heck of a lot of them, though, and certainly not enough to represent 1% of the population. The very nature of such a gene would cause it to be on the losing end of the natural selection process.

Ah, but in the past there were strong social pressures for having children and wives, even if homosexual. That's changing now, and I suspect that, should homosexuality come to be more socially accepted, there will be FEWER homosexuals over time as homosexuals simply refused to pretend to be heterosexual by having wives and children.

35 posted on 12/29/2005 10:56:42 AM PST by mc6809e
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To: mc6809e

If it were genetic, then more than 50% of identical twins would be gay. The 50% number implies that it is not genetic since identical twins share the same genetic makeup. Or if it is genetic, then some twins can control that behavior.


36 posted on 12/29/2005 10:58:03 AM PST by sobieski
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To: mc6809e

If it were genetic, then more than 50% of identical twins would be gay. The 50% number implies that it is not genetic since identical twins share the same genetic makeup. Or if it is genetic, then some twins can control that behavior.


37 posted on 12/29/2005 10:58:49 AM PST by sobieski
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Ah, but in the past there were strong social pressures for having children and wives, even if homosexual. That's changing now, and I suspect that, should homosexuality come to be more socially accepted, there will be FEWER homosexuals over time as homosexuals simply refused to pretend to be heterosexual by having wives and children.

You would think, but the reverse will happen. The acceptance of homosexuality will cause more people to experiment and get involved in the lifestyle. There may be some genetic component, but anyone who thinks it is entirely genetic is smoking something.

38 posted on 12/29/2005 11:00:52 AM PST by Always Right
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If it were genetic, then more than 50% of identical twins would be gay. The 50% number implies that it is not genetic since identical twins share the same genetic makeup. Or if it is genetic, then some twins can control that behavior.

Actually the article says it's a combination of genetics and environment. 50% link is a strong link and it drops to 20% with fraternal twins, so that dismisses environment as the sole source. Maybe one twin resents his mom more and had more fun with his dad--who knows.

39 posted on 12/29/2005 11:01:10 AM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: mc6809e

I'll grant that, but even with social pressures to have families, homosexuals would tend to have fewer children, being less interested in the act required to produce them.

Of course, it is silly to be theorizing about a "gay gene" when we know already what creates homosexuals: molestation of children, and poor relationships between male children and fathers.


40 posted on 12/29/2005 11:02:38 AM PST by thoughtomator (Congrats Iraq!)
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