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To: Steel Wolf
Fact of the matter is, 8 CIA operatives and their Afghan allies engaged nearly a thousand Al Qaida in Tora Bora

Try telling it to these guys SW.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/campaign/ground/torabora.html

After the Taliban regime was defeated, the military turned its focus to mountainous region of Tora Bora, where is was believed that Osama bin Laden was holed up in fortified caves along with Taliban and Al Qaeda troops. Special Forces soldiers working with local warlords describe the assault on the caves, and military commanders defend against charges that the operation was a failure because of insufficent troops on the ground to root out bin Laden. Forces from the 10th ID also took part.

For your information Steel;
Copperheads were Pro South Northern Democrats who activly worked to undermine the North's War Effort during the US Civil War.

20 posted on 12/29/2005 8:58:02 AM PST by MNJohnnie (We do not create terrorism by fighting the terrorists. We invite terrorism by ignoring them.--GWBush)
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To: MNJohnnie
Try telling it to these guys SW.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/campaign/ground/torabora.html

With all due respect to PBS, I know more people that went to Afghanistan than PBS has viewers. I'm sure some of the 5th Group guys said that if we had more troops we could have caught him. (I'm sure that PBS took that comment out of context, as well). Everyone that's been in combat feels that things would have gone better if they had more guys to help out. While that is true that more troops would have increased our odds, most commanders will admit that our entire Army isn't nearly big enough to guarantee success at a task of that scale.

That's why I get a kick out of it when people say that 'if only we had more troops'. Go to Afghanistan some time, get up on one of those God forsaken mountains, and tell me how many troops you think it would take to catch one guy in that country.

It's not a number of troops issue, and it never was. It's an intelligence issue. Our military is configured completely wrong for counter terrorism and counterinsurgency, and we're moving at glacial speeds to fix it. Our intelligence collection is weak and subject to archaic restrictions. That bottlenecks our ability to project force the same way that a funnel would the stream of a firehose. Until the powers that be start making real changes, we'll always be too slow to catch the masterminds, and will take years to put down insurgencies that are only a few thousand strong.

25 posted on 12/29/2005 9:15:28 AM PST by Steel Wolf (If the Founders had wanted the President to be spying on our phone calls, they would have said so!)
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