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To: chronic_loser; 4Freedom
"Very little comes from the fed. State taxes, otoh, are collected by a variety of means, from consumption, to property, to income, or a combination."

Doesn't matter which robber takes the loot, the victim's still out. US taxpayers foot the bills for illegal aliens and their felon aides. IMO, those who'd sell American citizenship for a profit are as pathetic as someone who'd p!$$ on the grave of a Veteran who died for this nation.

173 posted on 12/30/2005 4:31:25 AM PST by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: azhenfud
I hope you don't mind if I address your two points in reverse order: IMO, those who'd sell American citizenship for a profit are as pathetic as someone who'd p!$$ on the grave of a Veteran who died for this nation.

Thanks for the gratuitous swipe. Can you guess which anatomical impossibility I am now inviting you to perform on yourself?

As for your first point:

Doesn't matter which robber takes the loot, the victim's still out. US taxpayers foot the bills for illegal aliens and their felon aides.

I am not quite sure what your point is, other than you think the net loss to taxpayers exceeds the net "gain." I am quite sincere here when I ask for studies that many have cited but never linked (in my presence) that document these charges. I would like to look at them myself, especially after looking at the darling of the anti immigrant studies (the recent Borjas study). As I have posted before, this one really did not demonstrate what many claimed it did. I would like to examine any studies showing the "cost" to taxpayers.
Further, spending on programs HAS to be linked to the revenue base designed to fund those programs, even if we pile on more programs than the revenue base can support (i.e. run a deficit). Education for, lets be generous and say the children in a population of 20 million illegals, and say that the ratio of children to parents is 5:2, would put the children (lets again be ridiculously generous and say ALL these kids are school age, and ALL of them remain in school thru HS) population at 5x +2x = 20 M, so x = 2 and 6/7, so the number of children equals about 14.5 million. I know these assumptions are ridiculously high, just like my assumptions of the moneys paid into the FEDERAL treasury are ridiculously low, but it helps to cheat in a way that is most disadvantageous to my argument. That way no one can accuse me of playing games with numbers. Plus, we are doing this on the fly. Anyway, you have 14.5 mil illegal schoolkids in our model. If each of them requires 7 thousand dollars (actually, cost in NC is 3.5 thou), we have a cost of about 100 billion, assuming everything we have assumed, and assuming all of them are in state schools. Now, it is not correct to assume this whopping number is a FEDERAL education budget item. To accurately address this question, you have to say: "what are the state by state budgets, what are the percentages of those budgets devoted to education, what are the sources of revenue for each state budget, what are the numbers of illegals in the state, and what percentage of state revenue can reasonably be thought to come from illegals?"

For states with no income tax, the answers are different than states with no sales taxes on food. Some states get revenue from property in higher proportion, and some states tax investment income disproportionately. The answer to this question of "who foots the bill?" is not a simple one, nor is it a case where it is clear that taxpayers are hemorrhaging money to pay for illegals. It all depends on the state, and what kind of burdens the state is willing to take on. california is a very poor example to point to for ANY state dealing with ANY fiscal problems, not only restricted to education.

Again, any linked studies would be appreciated and received gratefully.

177 posted on 12/30/2005 5:02:54 AM PST by chronic_loser ((Handle provided free of charge as flame bait for the neurally vacant.))
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