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("What if" in History - No. 5) April 15, 1942: NEW YORK TIMES breaks planned Tokyo bombing raid
DFU "what if" in history | April 15, 1942 | Jonathon Risen (fictitious name)

Posted on 12/28/2005 10:54:09 PM PST by doug from upland

Edited on 12/29/2005 7:04:06 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: rlmorel

> I second the sentiments of Doug From Upland! Thanks for your support!

Thanks for the welcome!


21 posted on 12/28/2005 11:50:13 PM PST by DieHard the Hunter (I am the Chieftain of my Clan. I bow to nobody. Get out of my way.)
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To: doug from upland

put me on the list to doug from upland thanks


22 posted on 12/29/2005 12:02:18 AM PST by mastercylinder (Evolution: Taking care of those too stupid to take care of themselves.)
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To: John Valentine

Lighten up. It was an obvious typo.


23 posted on 12/29/2005 12:43:20 AM PST by hdstmf (too)
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To: hdstmf

"Have nit--Will pick"....;)


24 posted on 12/29/2005 1:37:01 AM PST by Salamander (Cursed With Second Sight)
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To: doug from upland
Brave patriotic men would have sped off to a totally failed mission, while the NYT would go on to collect many awards at many dinner ceremonies from their fellow LibIdiot "news organizations."
25 posted on 12/29/2005 1:39:36 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper (ETERNAL SHAME on the Treasonous and Immoral Democrats!)
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To: doug from upland

We need to hit the NY Times where they live - their advertisers. I don't subscribe to the rag, but I'd love to see who its advertisers are and start complaining to them.


26 posted on 12/29/2005 3:38:38 AM PST by Jolly Green
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To: doug from upland
Great! Keep 'em comin'.

Maybe:
1)The raid to shoot down and kill Tojo (?) who was preparing to visit troops.
2) The rescue of POWs in the Philippines that was recently a movie.
27 posted on 12/29/2005 5:14:14 AM PST by libertylover (Bush spied. Terrorists died. Democrats cried.)
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To: doug from upland

Excellent bit, but you maybe need the post operation criticism of the media too. You know criticizing FDR for the raid being launched prematurely, the planes running out of fuel, the minimal damage done etc.

PS add me to your ping list for these please.


28 posted on 12/29/2005 6:12:34 AM PST by JLS
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To: U S Army EOD; doug from upland

We should all remember that this is the very same paper that employed Walter Duranty, who won an illegitimate Pulitzer for praising Stalin and denying the famine in Ukraine in the 30's. They were commie sympathizers then, and in al Qaeda, they see another enemy they can sympathize with today.


29 posted on 12/29/2005 6:21:25 AM PST by ABG(anybody but Gore) (If Liberals had as much passion for our troops as they do for Tookie, the war would be over...)
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To: doug from upland

If Hill and the dems were in charge, they'd never print it. It's all about driving republicans from office.


30 posted on 12/29/2005 6:37:12 AM PST by hershey
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To: John Valentine

I asked the Admin Moderator to change it. Doh. There were, of course as first stated in the article --- B-25Bs, not B-52s. We would have really surprised the Japanese (as well as the captain of the HORNET).


31 posted on 12/29/2005 6:45:35 AM PST by doug from upland (NEW YORK TIMES -- traitorous b*st*rds)
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To: doug from upland

I read articles from the media about military equipment all the time, trust me, they don't know the difference between B25's and B52's. That is probably what they would have printed anyway.


32 posted on 12/29/2005 8:15:23 AM PST by U S Army EOD (LINCOLN COUNTY RED DEVILS STATE CHAMPIONS)
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To: U S Army EOD

It has been my error in typing.


33 posted on 12/29/2005 9:48:46 AM PST by doug from upland (NEW YORK TIMES -- traitorous b*st*rds)
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To: doug from upland

True, but you know the difference, the media does not.


34 posted on 12/29/2005 11:20:19 AM PST by U S Army EOD (LINCOLN COUNTY RED DEVILS STATE CHAMPIONS)
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To: doug from upland
I would like to be on your ping list. These "What If History" threads are great. You do have a way with words. Are you an 'author' in your real job (not this FR job)?
35 posted on 12/29/2005 2:43:08 PM PST by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: K-oneTexas
Actually, I'm into many ventures, the primary one being commercial real estate. I'm working now on a documentary film with the working title of INDICTING HILLARY that we hope will make an impact in the 2006 campaign.

I have done considerable political writing but it has not been a paying gig. If you missed it, I managed to cause Kerry just a little grief in 2004 with A CHILD'S EYE VIEW OF JOHN KERRY.

36 posted on 12/29/2005 3:21:08 PM PST by doug from upland (NEW YORK TIMES -- traitorous b*st*rds)
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To: K-oneTexas
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37 posted on 12/29/2005 3:25:40 PM PST by doug from upland (NEW YORK TIMES -- traitorous b*st*rds)
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To: hdstmf

I thought I was being light. Just a bit of fun with what was, as you say, an obvious typo. ;>)


38 posted on 12/29/2005 11:10:45 PM PST by John Valentine
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To: doug from upland

December 23, 2005
Doolittle Raider dies
The State


Lt. Col. Horace “Sally” Crouch of Columbia — a member of World War II’s Doolittle Raiders, who bombed Tokyo and other Japanese cities in retaliation for the sneak attack on Pearl Harbor — died Wednesday. He was 87.

Crouch, a graduate of Columbia High School and The Citadel, was one of 80 men who volunteered for the Tokyo mission, which would become the most famous air raid in American military history.

He died of complications from pneumonia in Providence Hospital at 11:45 a.m.

“A real giant has passed,” Columbia Mayor Bob Coble said.

The Raiders flew 16 heavy Army B-25 bombers from the pitching deck of a Navy aircraft carrier — a first in military history — and bombed Japanese military targets before crashing or bailing out over China. Many considered the raid a suicide mission.

[...]

For his valor, Crouch was awarded the Silver Star, the Distinguished Flying Cross and the Air Medal with an Oak Leaf Cluster.

[...]

Crouch, one of five men in Plane No. 10, would fly more than 2,000 miles that day. No. 10 would face more enemy aircraft, endure some of the heaviest anti-aircraft fire and sustain the most damage of any bomber on the raid.

The crew was credited with shooting down two Japanese Zero fighters and successfully bombing their target before bailing out near Chuchow, where they were rescued by Chinese guerrillas.

Crouch, who served as navigator, bombardier and nose gunner, remained in China for about a year after the raid, flying additional B-25 missions in the Pacific Theater.

[...]

Each year since 1946, the Raiders have gathered to drink to their fallen comrades from silver chalices bearing their names.

The men celebrated their 50th and 60th reunions in Columbia. Crouch, struggling with ill health even then, was able to rally to share the toast in 2002, his last public appearance.

The cups, guarded by cadets at the U.S. Air Force Academy at Colorado Springs, Colo., are inverted in their case as each corresponding Raider dies.

The toast is: “Gentlemen, to our good friends who have gone.”

Master Sgt. Edwin E. Horton, of Fort Walton Beach, Fla., Crouch’s last remaining crewmate, on Thursday remembered him as a brave flier, a good man and a talented navigator who relished the reunions and the opportunity they provided to share memories.

“Next year, I will offer the toast to him,” Horton said. “I guess I’ll be the one to turn his cup over.”

Crouch’s death leaves only 16 surviving Raiders.

[...]

Visitation will be from 6 to 8 p.m. Wednesday at North Trenholm Baptist Church in Columbia. Services will be held at the church at 3 p.m. Thursday, with interment in Greenlawn Memorial Park.


I had the good fortune to meet Crouch, and another participant in the raid, in 2001 before a Capital City Bombers game on Military Appreciation night when I was working at what is now McEntire Joint National Guard Base. I also attended some of the events of the 60th reunion in Columbia as well.

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39 posted on 12/30/2005 1:32:50 PM PST by doug from upland (NEW YORK TIMES -- traitorous b*st*rds)
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