[Timmy]

I don't have to feign humility in the presence of people who say the earth is flat. The argument from thermodynamics is decided. You don't need to be an expert.

If one has to "feign humility," one doesn't have it. Just because you think you are much smarter than those who differ from you doesn't mean you are. And I have yet to see an ID'er or Creationist who argues the earth is flat. When you make statements like the above, you are no different than Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, or Michael Moore. However, without humility, you fail to see it.

And I don't see how you can make the second part of your statement. I think I'd have to know your standing to decide that for us.

'Course, I expect you to come back that I'm just too stupid to understand it, right?

[js1138]

I would say that the tendency of creationists to think they have outsmarted all the working and published biologists, geologists, physicists and astronomers that ever lived indicates a lack of humility.

I admit that I do not have the background to argue this issue, but I do recognize stupid arguments when I see them being made. The first clue is that they misrepresent the opposing argument.

Take, for example, the statement that evolution of a new species requires identical, simultaneous mutations in a male and female mating pair. In order to post something like this you have to be so mind bogglingly ignorant of biology that anything else you might say is suspect.

When you see the same people post the same ignorant arguments week after week, month after month, it becomes a waste of time even reading their posts.