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To: caffe
I really think you should study more; your questions border on insanity.

Well, permit me to try again. You referred to "the absolute truth of conflict between the laws of thermodynamics and evolution". So if the laws of thermodynamics conflict with evolution, even presumptively, let alone absolutely, then why doesn't life itself?

Surely the thermodynamic cost of, say, changing a DNA base pair cannot be greater than the thermodynamic cost of, say, creating a molecule of ATP (the cell's energy source). Yet a typical animal must create, what, millions?, billions?, trillions?, of ATP molecules every single hour. I don't know what the numbers are exactly, but surely in the space of hours a human has created more molecules of ATP than the number of DNA base pair differences that separate humans and chimpanzees.

Life overcomes entropy -- concentrates negative entropy -- in the first instance, prior to and apart from evolution. So how does evolution contradict thermodynamics without life itself doing so first?

533 posted on 12/29/2005 7:17:42 AM PST by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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To: Stultis
So how does evolution contradict thermodynamics without life itself doing so first?

Sound of crickets...

Which is why the phrase "pig ignorant" is kind, even generous, when applied to 2nd Law arguments. It is particularly troublesome when a national magazine catering to conservatives can't get this right.

What else can they not be trusted on?

I know someone from the magazine is lurking on this thread. My advice is to wake up and drop this line of argument.

630 posted on 12/29/2005 9:33:47 AM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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