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To: bvw

Somehow if I utter the words "hurricane" and "snowflake" I have refuted your point.

Not sure quite how though...


1,433 posted on 01/09/2006 2:34:42 PM PST by jbloedow
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To: jbloedow

Shannon didn't study information. He studied information transfer. Information, that is what information is, is nothing but "philosophy". Yet without a common understanding of what the "information" is that we are talking about discussions run in circles.


1,435 posted on 01/09/2006 2:40:14 PM PST by bvw
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To: jbloedow

All structure is in the mind's-eye of the observer. What fosiil record is there of the mind's eye?


1,436 posted on 01/09/2006 2:45:14 PM PST by bvw
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To: jbloedow
The hurricane organizes due to a an amazing coincidence of orbit and plantery rotation. The snowflake organizes due to an amazing coincidence of atomic layout. One by adding heat, the other by taking it away.

Yet what information is created? Organization is not information of itself. It is only some intelligent observer that can apply any pattern of information onto it.

When an obsever takes on a bent towards ToE, he drops the "amazing" first, and as time goes by becomes less and less able or motivated to apply any informative patterns. For all become equivalent for defiency of a philosophy.

And once equivalency takes hold, it affects all cognition and interaction -- they become more and more base, animalistic, crude.

Simple socio-physics.

QED. ToE, Dawkins-extreme, is very anti-science.

1,439 posted on 01/09/2006 2:58:36 PM PST by bvw
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