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To: jbloedow
Oh, really? Is this yet another example of evolutionists assuming their conclusion thus not requiring any evidence?

Tell me what process assumed by evolution violates the 2nd Law. Be specific. Mutation, selection, whatever. The evidence has been around for decades. Every phenomenon required to make evolution possible can be observed. Name one that can't.

1,372 posted on 01/04/2006 12:02:26 PM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: js1138
Tell me what process assumed by evolution violates the 2nd Law. Be specific. Mutation, selection, whatever. The evidence has been around for decades. Every phenomenon required to make evolution possible can be observed. Name one that can't.

Ahh.... there you go again: I've already stated I don't know how many times that I am not stating that a process of evolution violates the 2nd Law; I'm stating that when you people claim there is not even an issue worthy of scientific inquiry you are ignorant or lying.

That said, I think the concern is that random mutations resulting in an increase in information in the genome would appear, at least intuitively, as a spontaneous increase in complexity, order, and -- more importantly -- a decrease in entropy.

Some person has an interesting discussion of this here: http://web.ukonline.co.uk/ukatheist/articles/complexity.htm. This guy is on your side, but interestingly, he does seem to take the question seriously (!!!), and the scientific counterexamples he cites are from 1996 and 1998. Using the old math, this does not qualify as 'decades'. I'm not familiar with the experiments yet, so can't comment on them. But you will notice that evolutionists have been claiming the argument is stupid before this apparent evidence existed, suggesting that the assertion was one of faith at least up until that time.

Also, by your standards, this guy is an atheist activist and has an agenda so should probably be disregarded.

Anyway, he claims that information theory requires an increase in genomic complexity as inevitable, which is a little curious.

Also, he claims there is no connection between information entropy and thermodynamic entropy, which I believe is false.

Moreover, your original assertion was that there was no process involved in evolution that was different in kind from those processes involved in life itself. As this writer recognizes, the increase in information in the genome involved in evolution is precisely that difference. Even if it can be explained, at least in a non-quantitative manner, your original assertion would appear to be falsified.

1,373 posted on 01/04/2006 12:57:55 PM PST by jbloedow
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