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To: Cicero
The probability of things evolving into the incredible degree of complexity we see on earth around us are more than astronomical.

No, the probability is 1.000, since anything less is to deny the reality that surrounds us, we are here and what is, is! The argument is whether the reality is the result of random actions or intervention by being or beings unknown. A third possibility being non interventionist IE: we are living and growing in a universe in which the rules were established at t=0 and in which the "builders" have lost interest and no longer interact with this physical reality. God was playing in the sandbox and was called in from recess, as it were, leaving us as a work in progress.

Regards,
GtG

113 posted on 12/28/2005 4:51:34 PM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray

The probability is 1.0 IF you don't rule out things, such as intelligent design. Your proposition is, as I assume you know, a tautology.

No, I have no trouble with the world being complex. I just find it impossible to explain by Darwin's rules.


116 posted on 12/28/2005 4:54:14 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray; VadeRetro
No, the probability is 1.000

Of course! Astronomical probability => 1

A third possibility being non interventionist IE: we are living and growing in a universe in which the rules were established at t=0

Not sure whether this is actually a third possibility though. It is more a subset of random actions. Very interesting explanation, however!

133 posted on 12/28/2005 5:09:32 PM PST by phantomworker (I trust my intuition and speak my truth... Don't accuse me of your imagination!)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray
"in which the "builders" have lost interest and no longer interact with this physical reality. God was playing in the sandbox and was called in from recess, as it were, leaving us as a work in progress."

God may not be perceived as active in your life, but He is certainly active in mine.

Most scientists believe in an interactive God.

The evidence is against your point.

318 posted on 12/28/2005 9:03:53 PM PST by Mark Felton ("Your faith should not be in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.")
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