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To: js1138; Timmy
"I don't have any credentials in physics and don't need any to understand when a bogus Second Law argument is being made. Evolution no more breaks thermodynamics than the processes of life break thermodynamics."

Can you explain what the Second Law of Thermodynamics is in just a sentence or two?

1,086 posted on 12/31/2005 9:20:44 AM PST by Mark Felton ("Your faith should not be in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.")
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To: Mark Felton

I can cut and paste like anyone else. But what I can also do is reason pretty well. I can deduce with some certainty that the processes of life -- metabolism, photosynthesis, learning, etc. -- do not violate any physical laws.

I also know that all of the mechanisms required for evolution to work have been observed. I note that evolution is analogous to learning, in that uncoordinated behavior is shaped by consequensess.

Now I am waiting for someone to tell me specifically what biochemical process required for evolution, metabolism, photosynthesis, learning, etc., violates a law of physics.


1,094 posted on 12/31/2005 9:54:56 AM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Mark Felton
"Can you explain what the Second Law of Thermodynamics is in just a sentence or two?

Do you want the classical thermodynamic explanation, the CT entropy explanation or the statistical mechanics explanation?

Classical Thermodynamic: Heat tends to spontaneously move from a concentrated state to a dispersed state. Simply put, heat tends to move from a higher temperature system to a lower temperature environment, spreading out if possible.

Classical entropy: The change in entropy is a measurement of the amount of heat dispersed. The amount of heat no longer available to the 'system' to produce work.

Statistical mechanics entropy: The disorder in a system, determined by the number of microstates possible without affecting the description of the macrostate, expressed as the log of a probability.

1,157 posted on 12/31/2005 4:51:27 PM PST by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: Mark Felton
Can you explain what the Second Law of Thermodynamics is in just a sentence or two?

In a nutshell, it's that everything in a [closed] system moves from order to disorder. That is, the amount of entropy (disorder) in the system increases over time. There are simply no exceptions to this law. I think the point being made here is that evolution requires order from disorder. If that's the case, it can't happen. Please note that I am not taking a position on this because I haven't bothered to actually keep up with the arguments.

1,163 posted on 12/31/2005 5:46:17 PM PST by Timmy
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