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To: jbloedow
so...lets define some terms (from a google search):

Faith: the belief in something for which there is no evidence or logical proof

A google search? Wow. Was this from a high school paper? I could spend precious seconds explaining just how juvenile a definition of faith this is, but the real issue is that you can't even be bothered to put in the effort to come up with a definition of terms that are beyond the parody level.

I note you do not supply an alternate definition.

From the American College Dictionary:

Faith: 1. confidence or trust in a person or thing. 2. belief which is not based on proof. 3. belief in the doctrines or teachings of a religion. 4. the doctrines which are or should be believed. 5. a system of religious belief...

Better now?

1,078 posted on 12/31/2005 8:43:49 AM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Coyoteman

Re faith...

As I said, I didn't provide a definition because I wanted to see if you could be bothered to find a correct definition on your own. Sometimes it's best not to do other people's work for them.

The second defintion you posted is much better. At the very least it doesn't sound like it was taken from an American Humanist Association pamphlet. Faith exists when there is not proof, but not necessarily when there is not evidence. In fact, the vast majority of things we think we know are actually expressions of faith based on varying degress of evidence. The classic example of trusting that the chair you sit down on will not collapse under you.

Interestingly, when Jesus Christ rose from the dead, it states clearly that he appeared to numerous people at various times and did various characteristic things precisely in order to provide _evidence_ of his resurrection. (Early) Christians were never asked just to accept his resurrection on blind faith, but rather based on evidence.

Also, anyone who has studied epistemology knows that all knowledge -- with the arguable exception of self-knowledge -- is mediated, and all mediated knowledge is based on trust that the mediating agencies, be they your own senses, or other people's words, are reliable.

Too often evolutionists regurgitate the Enlightenment era delusion of the faith/reason dichotomy. It's getting a little old. We all use faith. Get over it already. Science is based on a huge amount of faith at all sorts of levels.


1,367 posted on 01/03/2006 11:01:03 PM PST by jbloedow
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