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To: areafiftyone
...Bill Clinton would have gone into Iraq just like George Bush if he were still president in 2003.

Damn the luck. If only terrorists would've attacked the World Trade Center when Clinton was President.

Oh....wait a minute....

8 posted on 12/28/2005 10:01:43 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all.)
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To: Texas Eagle
...Bill Clinton would have gone into Iraq just like George Bush if he were still president in 2003.

Damn the luck. If only terrorists would've attacked the World Trade Center when Clinton was President.

Oh....wait a minute....

Worth repeating!

16 posted on 12/28/2005 10:16:31 AM PST by meowmeow (Meow! Meow!)
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To: Texas Eagle

Good one.


17 posted on 12/28/2005 10:20:27 AM PST by rightinthemiddle (I might be wrong, but I'm always right.)
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To: Texas Eagle
>>>If only terrorists would've attacked the World Trade Center when Clinton was President.

Oh....wait a minute <<<

1993 Bingo to you!

24 posted on 12/28/2005 10:48:51 AM PST by HardStarboard
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To: Texas Eagle; HardStarboard; All
Damn the luck. If only terrorists would've attacked the World Trade Center when Clinton was President.

Oh....wait a minute....---Texas Eagle

One of the American historians I most admire, Douglas Brinkley out there, sitting here, was quoted in the paper today as saying that I would be viewed as a great president except for the fact of the impeachment, which is just there.

bill clinton
Hofstra apologia
November 11, 2005

clinton's ranking will likely get worse over time. Economic issues fade in importance. Moral issues presist and grow. (paraphrase)

Douglas Brinkley
February 2000
(discussing C-SPAN PRESIDENTS POLL)
Washington Journal

Note that although Brinkley doesn't place much importance on the economic management dimension--he argues that the economy variable is not durable over time--he fails to recognize that the evaluation of the clinton economy by the historians is erroneous to begin with.

Note also that C-SPAN historians found no evidence of clinton "greatness" irrespective of his moral-authority deficit, contrary to Douglas Brinkley's claim made at the clinton revisionist confab3.

(NOTE: My later research has revealed that Brinkley's qualified mention of clinton "greatness" was not a claim but rather a polite guest's white lie about an abject loser. Instead of taking the AP report at face value, one must carefully parse Brinkley's actual words and especially note the subjunctive construction.)

Mia T, 11.10.05
Historian massages clinton numbers, ego + legacy at revisionist confab
C-SPAN historians find no clinton "greatness" irrespective of moral-authority deficit

The term "great" is probably an overused term. There are only a few presidents who make that top tier: Abraham Lincoln, George Washington, Franklin Roosevelt, Theodore Roosevelt, Harry Truman, Thomas Jefferson, and a few others who might be there.

I don't think bill clinton ever reached that category.

One, it's hard if you're not a wartime president

Note to Douglas Brinkley (NTDB):
clinton WAS a wartime president. The problem is, he surrendered.

Preemptively.

You might say the clinton approach to The War on Terror was the perverse obverse of The Bush Doctrine.

or have some huge event.

NTDB:
clinton had one almost immediately, which
he summarily ignored, the first attack on American soil since Pearl Harbor, the 1993 WTC bombing.

Do you recall that he urged us to ignore the bombing, too? Ignore the first major Islamofascist terrorist attack on the continental United States?!

Did you know clinton never visited the site? (And he was only 15 minutes away mere days after the bombing. He chose, instead, to give some forgettable speech on --what else? -- the economy.)

 

Second, clinton is not known for something like Lyndon Johnson was -- The Civil Rights Act -- or even Theodore Roosevelt and conservation, or one big thing.

I think his successes were in welfare reform, economic discipline,trade pacts.

NTDB:
Arguable. He was dragged kicking and screaming by the Republicans.

Those are achievements, but they're hard to get people queuing up a hundred years from now excited to see the "NAFTA Pen Under Glass."

NTDB:
Great turn of phrase.

Douglas Brinkley
Nov. 12, 2005
The History News Network
Refuting clinton's Hofstra-apologia "Brinkley" lie

The clintons continue to imperil virtually every sector of society, indeed, continue to imperil America and the world, with their exponentially increasing facility in manipulating electoral/policy matter and energy at ever smaller scales. Their "school uniforms" of the '90s became "nanotech uniforms" today; both are proxies for "fight terrorism," which the clintons have neither the stomach nor the know-how to do.

NANO-PRESIDENT
the danger of the unrelenting smallness of bill + hillary clinton
by Mia T, 7.31.05

LEHRER: President Bush, your closing statement, sir.

PRESIDENT BUSH (audio): Three weeks from now--two weeks from tomorrow, America goes to the polls and you're going to have to decide who you want to lead this country ...

On foreign affairs, some think it's irrelevant. I believe it's not. We're living in an interconnected world...And if a crisis comes up, ask who has the judgment and the experience and, yes, the character to make the right decision?

And, lastly, the other night on character Governor Clinton said it's not the character of the president but the character of the presidency. I couldn't disagree more. Horace Greeley said the only thing that endures is character. And I think it was Justice Black who talked about great nations, like great men, must keep their word.

And so the question is, who will safeguard this nation, who will safeguard our people and our children? I need your support, I ask for your support. And may God bless the United States of America.

(Applause)

COMPLETE ARTICLE

AFTERWORD: ON CLINTON SMALLNESS--BRINKLEY MISSES THE POINT
by Mia T, 12.27.05

also: THE FAILED, DYSFUNCTIONAL CLINTON PRESIDENCY
(DECONSTRUCTING CLINTON'S HOFSTRA SPEECH)
part1:
The "Brinkley" Lie
by Mia T, 12.26.05

 

 

 


35 posted on 12/28/2005 9:31:48 PM PST by Mia T
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