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To: A Ruckus of Dogs; fanfan; Pikamax; Former Proud Canadian; Great Dane; Alberta's Child; ...
Point one:

Liberals in Canada blame America.
Liberals in America blame America.
Seemingly there's a common denominator here?

Point two:

Aside from having rather obviously admitted that Canada Customs is incompetent, Toronto's Mayor David Miller (BTW, a card-carrying member of the socialist NDP) is both wrong and illogical to blame stateside availability of hand guns.
The proof?
No other recognizable demographic other than, mostly black, visible minority punks is involved in gun violence.
As example, you don't see fathers of any color shooting "family" Court Judges & lawyers even though they'd have far more understandable justification.

Point three:

Opportunist leftist politicians are deliberately ignoring the fact that a large part of the problem stems from their arrogant, activist buddies on Judicial Benches (just as in the U.S.) refusing to properly enforce laws already on the books when it comes to 'poor, disadvantaged gang-bangers'.

Leftists in the media and cop brass turned politically correct to get and hold their positions are lying in tandem to deceive the public:
Both are now claiming there are few, if any clues while apparently one of the shooting victims still in hospital is a young black male who refuses to divulge his name and/or any details as to what went down!

BTW, there is plainly a U.S. connection in all this that no leftists in either nation are about to mention:

black-based 'gangsta culture'

38 posted on 12/28/2005 11:41:35 AM PST by GMMAC (paraphrasing Parrish: "damned Liberals, I hate those bastards!")
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To: GMMAC

Wed, December 28, 2005


Metropolis' innocence lost long ago
By LICIA CORBELLA



According to a high-ranking Toronto police officer, the city in which he toils "lost its innocence" on Boxing Day.

The comment would be funny were it not in reference to such a tragic and sickening event.

Apparently as many as 15 young people exchanged gunfire on a crowded Yonge Street -- one of the busiest shopping areas in all of Canada on any day, never mind Boxing Day.

One 15-year-old girl was killed and six others were injured during the Hollywood-style shootout. All were innocent bystanders. No rival gang members were shot or killed.

Now, I don't know what planet Det.-Sgt. Savas Kyriacou has been hiding on, but to say Toronto lost its innocence because of this is like saying an 80-year-old whore lost her innocence because she serviced a customer over the Christmas holidays.

There have been 78 murders in Toronto in 2005 and a record 52 of them were caused by gunfire. In Calgary, five shootouts have led to murders -- though luckily only gang members and not innocent bystanders were the victims.

But in 2005, in Toronto, people have been shot and killed at a funeral, on a crowded bus, on Yonge Strett, not far from where Monday's shooting took place and in front of a day-care centre just this past Friday.


In Calgary, shootouts have occurred at crowded shopping centres and in busy nightclubs.

Recently, Calgary Police Chief Jack Beaton told the Sun editorial board Canada's lax laws are part of the problem.

Since July 25, Calgary police arrested 51 gang members. Guess how many remain behind bars? Just three.

As he said, when you consider most gang members arrested for running a $750,000 marijuana grow operation will be sentenced to exactly zero time behind bars, gangs will thrive. You don't need to be a chief of police or a criminologist to figure that out.

I did my fair share of time on the police desk at the Toronto Sun, including in 1991 when a record 88 murders took place, mostly between black youths. It was a problem then and it's a a problem now. Little has changed. That's because politicians and, apparently the police, tiptoe around the problem.

Prime Minister Paul Martin did more tiptoeing yesterday.

"I think, more than anything else, (the shootings) demonstrate what are, in fact, the consequences of exclusion."

What nonsense. There is no city on this planet that is better at inclusion than Toronto. Toronto is, by its very nature, the world rolled into one metropolis of three-million people.

Virtually every nation in the world is represented there, and most newcomers acclimatize and become productive and vital contributors to Canada within a short period of time.

Their children, like the children of immigrants clear across this country, are accepted and offered the same opportunities and access to education as any other Canadian.

Yesterday, I called the Toronto police. I thought I got media relations, but reached a different department instead. I mentioned that all I wanted to know was whether the handguns used in the Boxing Day shootings were legal and registered.

The person on the end of the line snorted and said: "I'd bet my first born that it wasn't."

Not an official comment to be sure. Instead, Det.-Sgt. Kyriacou said: "I don't believe that these people were in possession legally, so we're going to continue our investigation as to how they came about possessing a handgun."

Meanwhile, Martin's "answer" to this tragedy is to continue to talk about "banning handguns", which are virtually banned in this country anyway. Murder is banned -- always has been -- and yet it goes on. Surely, someone willing to shoot into a crowd of innocent people won't hand over his weapon because the PM says so.

Conservative leader Stephen Harper has the only real answer to this kind of thuggery -- and that is to bring in mandatory minimum sentences for the use of guns in a crime.

"There is nothing else you can do to deal with crime other than make sure people who commit crimes are severely dealt with and we don't run a revolving-door justice system."

Bang on. In reality, it's our lawmakers -- our politicians -- who lost their innocence on this file a long time ago.


39 posted on 12/28/2005 11:57:29 AM PST by albertabound
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