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Disorder in the Court (FISA)
The Weekly Standard ^ | January 2, 2006 | David Tell, for the Editors

Posted on 12/27/2005 12:53:13 PM PST by RWR8189

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To: Marine_Uncle
If the intelligence agencies want additional information Judge Lamberth stops them.

If you collect information and try to share it Jamie McGorlick's wall stops them.

PC Liberal agendas at their finest!

41 posted on 12/27/2005 4:08:07 PM PST by TYVets (God so loved the world he didn't send a committee)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

I did hear that on FNC and this whole thing has gotten me thinking a few things that sound terribly conspiratorial, but I think if anyone with true investigative skills would look into, we would find to be true.

For instance, Clinton's accepting so much Saudi money for his library. Clinton ignoring the Iraqi Republican Guard who was John Doe #3 in the Oklahoma City bombing. (I know that sounds nuts, but read Jayna Davis's Third Terrorist book which has convinced even some liberals in my neighborhood that an Iraqi Republican Guard help Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols). Clinton virtually ignoring the first WTC bombing in '93 and ensuring that the case was heard in civil vs. federal court.

There's more that freepers could add. Clinton not taking OBL when offered by Sadan. Clinton ignoring the threat posed by Iarq, despite being given evidence that OBL was developing a relationship with Saddam. (The MSM wrote dozens of articles in the 90's about the world's alarm at the growing relationship between Saddam and OBL, so Clinton had to know).

It makes sense that Clinton was all too happy to let Lamberth stay on that court, knowing he would deny a lot of warrants about AQ terrorists residing in this country.

We know Clinton took campaign money from the Chinese in exchange for technology. How do we know he didn't take other funny money from the extremists?

There is an emerging picture here and some enterprising journalist will pull all the lose threads together. Maybe Steven Hayes at The Weekly Standard.


42 posted on 12/27/2005 4:36:48 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Arizona Carolyn
The ANWR deal was included hoping somehow enough would bite. On this one, I blame a lot of folks. Our national energy program has been played like a fiddle for many many years. Both parties along with all their baggage handlers and supporters all are at fault. I can blame big business and in particular oil companies just as much as I can place blame on a ultra liberal environmentalist group as not haveing been honest and forthright with the American people.
It truly is a complicated issue. The subject deserves much more attention then can be summed up in a single thread, dealing with another key subject.
Bottom line is one is in business to make a profit. And companies are not exactly thrilled at having to expend huge sums of monies in what we call venture capital to search and drill for oil fields that will provide a reasonable quick return on their investments.
ANWR is not an answer to our much needed energy needs (petroleum based products, heating, transportation, lubrication, etc.) needs. But it could help in reducing our foreign purchases by some say perhaps 8-10% for a given amount of years. Many numbers have been thrown out, and one could almost flip a coin as to what ones best represent just how much oil/natural gas we could expect to extract for a given number of years, say ten years. It is not the solution to our energy needs. But would help to some degree.
So I have mixed emotions on the way they tried to throw it in this time around. Lets face it, it was political on the republican side this time around. If anyone apposed it then they would be viewed as un-patriotic, not concerned with national defense. Sorry but I don't bite on this one.
At best it was a bandaid attempt.
But clearly should someone start flaming me. I hold that we need a comprehensive energy program put in place that gives adequate monetary and other incentives to oil companies and associated industries to not only open ANWR up, but east/west/gulf coast off shore drilling. Get seriouse about the huge amounts of coal fields that still exist in the appalachia as well as out west for modern synthetic oil/lubricants/fuel oil, and a hosts of other end products that could be derived from synthetic fuel production processes, and not to forget the vast shale oil we could potentially extract. With all the above mentioned we could become once again totally self sufficient from the raw oil point of view. I am being quite terse, but mention a few things just to give you an idea, why I do not simply jump on those that did not go for the ANWR deal. It is far more complicated IMHO.
43 posted on 12/27/2005 4:38:49 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: TYVets
" PC Liberal agendas at their finest!"
It has taken these goons years to perfect. Surely the old KGB must marvel in how well their usefull idiots have perfected their techniques.
44 posted on 12/27/2005 4:40:58 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: doug from upland; Alamo-Girl

What do you remember about Judge Lambert? Didn't he used to order the Clinton's to produce various documents and they pretty much ignored him and he never followed up?

Read #34 and tell me what you think, if you're interested in how Lambert may play into the entire FISA court/NSA spying matter.


45 posted on 12/27/2005 4:44:01 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: doug from upland

Can you get this to Rep. Weldon? It look like the 9/11 Commission missed something else relatively important.

Read entire post in #34 and this:

“For the 9-11 investigation to have integrity, Congress must have the courage to aggressively pursue these facts and leads, and be sure not to prematurely close the door to any hypothesis - no matter how "unthinkable." 9-11 was also unthinkable -- before it happened.”


46 posted on 12/27/2005 4:51:49 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: ravingnutter; piasa

Do you know anything about Judge Lamberth that may not be common knowledge and may tie into the post in #34?


47 posted on 12/27/2005 5:04:17 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: IA5GWH

URGENT!

See post #34


48 posted on 12/27/2005 5:08:08 PM PST by Iowa Granny (Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone.)
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To: Arizona Carolyn; Peach
List of Opinions for 2000:

2000 DISTRICT COURT OPINIONS

49 posted on 12/27/2005 5:10:16 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Peach; onyx; ohioWfan; Texasforever; BigSkyFreeper; Tamzee; mrs tiggywinkle; EllaMinnow; ...

Please check out post #34 ... it's the first I've heard of it and to be honest .. it made my heart stop


50 posted on 12/27/2005 5:13:51 PM PST by Mo1 (Republicans protect Americans from Terrorists. Democrats protect Terrorists from Americans)
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To: Peach

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=18755
Judge Lamberth has been at the forefront of so many strong rulings concerning illegality by the Clintons and Al Gore -- from the Hillary Clinton Healthcare Task Force to Chinagate and Filegate-related cases -- not because these proceedings were secretly assigned to him as improperly occurred with some Clinton-appointed judges in the Chinagate scandal. Indeed, because of the sheer number of Clinton-Gore scandals, it is no wonder that several of these cases were randomly assigned to him. With few exceptions, only Judge Lamberth has had the courage and guts to make rulings that redress their lawlessness. Certainly, other jurists, both Democrat- and Republican-appointed, have had cases assigned to them as well, but most have cowered from their duty and let the guilty off the hook. Why is this?


51 posted on 12/27/2005 5:16:59 PM PST by Mo1 (Republicans protect Americans from Terrorists. Democrats protect Terrorists from Americans)
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To: RWR8189

I wonder if the FISA court realized that America was attacked, right here on our own soil, that the President NEEDED info and fast.. God help us from insane biased agenda driven idiot judges. And God Bless the President for having the courage and sense of duty to do the right thing and protect Americans, despite the continual handcuffing from the enemy within.


52 posted on 12/27/2005 5:17:25 PM PST by SeaBiscuit (God Bless all who defend America and Friends, the rest can go to hell.)
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To: Peach; Mo1

When was this Martin Dillion article written?


53 posted on 12/27/2005 5:17:26 PM PST by mystery-ak (Merry Christmas)
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To: RWR8189

bttt


54 posted on 12/27/2005 5:21:17 PM PST by shield (The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instructions.Pr 1:7)
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To: mystery-ak; Peach

I have no idea .. but I did find this article written by Martin Dillon

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=12419168&method=full&siteid=50143
2 December 2002
ROBERT MAXWELL WAS A MOSSAD SPY
New claim on tycoon's mystery death
By Gordon Thomas And Martin Dillon


55 posted on 12/27/2005 5:26:08 PM PST by Mo1 (Republicans protect Americans from Terrorists. Democrats protect Terrorists from Americans)
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To: Mo1; Peach

Truth and Justice
Government agents who mislead federal judges are the real threat to civil liberties.

BY BRENDAN MINITER
Monday, August 26, 2002 12:01 a.m. EDT

Attorney General John Ashcroft is in Democratic crosshairs again. This time Reps. Jerrold Nadler and Maxine Waters were accusing him of undermining American civil liberties. And this was news!

Ostensibly, the reason for the attack was a ruling by a secret court saying the Justice Department was going too far in investigating and prosecuting potential terrorists. But the real news here is that America is finally getting an open airing of heretofore secret federal proceedings that are supposed to draw the line between run-of-the-mill criminal investigations and those investigations aimed at uncovering terrorists and spies.

So far it looks like the government is doing a better job of protecting civil liberties than it did before Sept. 11.

The problem the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court found was in the Justice Department's interpretation of the USA Patriot Act. Mr. Ashcroft's team says that act allows them to lower the wall between criminal investigations and intelligence/espionage/terrorist investigations. The court says using information gathered in an intelligence investigation is a serious erosion of civil liberties, which was not contemplated by the Patriot Act.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/bminiter/?id=110002181


56 posted on 12/27/2005 5:36:43 PM PST by hipaatwo
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To: hipaatwo

The more I read about the FISA court, the more I realize they are damaging not only the war on terror, but any investigation in which it would be helpful for intelligence agencies to talk with each other.


57 posted on 12/27/2005 5:40:09 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach

Peach maybe you can remember didn't this court halt the search of one of the terrorists computers, we had him in custody. I think this was before 911.


58 posted on 12/27/2005 5:42:21 PM PST by mware (everyone that doesn't like what America and President Bush has done for Iraq can all go to HELL.")
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To: mystery-ak; Arizona Carolyn

He wrote it 7/6/02.

Arizona Carolyn found it and put it on the thread; I think she read it on Drudge?

Link to the 7/02 article:

http://www.gordonthomas.ie/122.html


59 posted on 12/27/2005 5:44:07 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: mware

Yes. The FISA court halted the search of Massouie's (sp?) computer, which may have halted 9/11 if the search had been allowed to continue.


60 posted on 12/27/2005 5:44:57 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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