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"The alleged rape has stirred emotions in the former American colony, and has been regarded by some as a black mark on U.S. counterterrorism training, which has been credited by Washington and Manila with helping Filipino troops crush many Muslim militants in the country's restive south."

These young Marines were obviously set up by those who wish to damage U.S. counter-terrorism efforts in the Philippines. Why do I say that? Unless times have changed drastically, Filipino women do not hang out in Olangapo bars with sailors and marines unless they are either prostitutes or they have some other more nefarious agenda.

1 posted on 12/27/2005 8:10:56 AM PST by DJ Taylor
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You would think the Marines would know better than to get themselves in a situation like this.


2 posted on 12/27/2005 8:15:45 AM PST by mlc9852
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Jeeze I didn't know US bases had been reopened here.


3 posted on 12/27/2005 8:16:25 AM PST by Vaquero
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Thank-you for posting that tidbit. It changes the entire tone to the story.


4 posted on 12/27/2005 8:18:46 AM PST by bubman
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"Filipino women do not hang out in Olangapo bars with sailors and marines unless they are either prostitutes or they have some other more nefarious agenda."

It's just a bad situation. It is possible to rape a prostitute. Most women in Olangapo bars are prostitutes, but not ALL of them. Unless you count those trying to find a husband and a way to America prostitutes, then you really get into that grey area.
I'm guessing it's just bad judgement, in a bad situation, and it's going to have a bad result. I don't think it's a conspiricy.


6 posted on 12/27/2005 8:23:20 AM PST by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: DJ Taylor
These young Marines were obviously set up by those who wish to damage U.S. counter-terrorism efforts in the Philippines. Why do I say that? Unless times have changed drastically, Filipino women do not hang out in Olangapo bars with sailors and marines unless they are either prostitutes or they have some other more nefarious agenda

They tried to jam up the 2 Marines who were getting pizza as well. Their stomachs gave them a provable alibi and saved them. The fact that the attempt was made makes the other accusations more suspicious.
7 posted on 12/27/2005 8:24:14 AM PST by milemark (Proud to be an infidel.)
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Never having been stationed in the Philippines (or anywhere overseas) I can only take your word regarding who does and does not hang out with Marines there.

Your theory could be correct.If these Marines are tried in a Philippine court,one can only hope they use DNA tests,and accurate ones at that.

8 posted on 12/27/2005 8:24:36 AM PST by Gay State Conservative
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Olangpo is the world's largest whorehouse...things get real nasty down there real quick..

I agree these young Marines were set up....


13 posted on 12/27/2005 8:32:09 AM PST by joesnuffy (I salute PETA and Greenies and all left wingers with my 'organically raised' purple finger......)
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The Filipino driver of the van, Timoteo Soriano, who was initially considered as a key witness, was also charged as a "co-conspirator" for apparently doing nothing to stop the alleged rape.

On careful rereading, this sounds highly suspicious. Apparently the driver didn't back up the woman's story, so he's been charged also. This makes it 5 to 1 on the story. Not at all impossible that the 5 are lying, although I would think that the driver would have little reason to lie to protect the sailors.

He may change his story for a plea bargain, and the charges against him may be part of the pressure being put on him.

17 posted on 12/27/2005 8:40:50 AM PST by Restorer
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Yikes. The wife of a sailor friend of ours was telling us a story about her hubby's first visit to the Philippines. I guess the sailors were warned before leaving the ship that they should steer clear of entanglements with the women at that port. Or they could be taking a wife home because the authorities there always side with the female.


19 posted on 12/27/2005 8:51:21 AM PST by petitfour
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I would agree with your assesment except for one thing:

"Smith and the others, along with the woman, had been drinking at a bar and were rushing back to the USS Essex to beat a curfew, he said."

Why would the woman be going back to the boat if she was a bargirl. Notice there is no mention of the girl's nationality.

I'm thinking there's more to the story.


21 posted on 12/27/2005 8:55:50 AM PST by kas2591 (Life's harder when you're stupid.)
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This is an "Oh-Po" scam that is as old as Oh-Po itself.

Hostetute, (never call her anything else) goes "out" with GI.

Evening ends, hostetute goes to her friend at the constabulary. Friend files charges. Prosecutor may or may not be in on the take.

Result: LEGAL HOLD.

What happens is this. Charges are filed and sailor or marine in question is put on "legal hold", meaning that he cannot leave the country or, in days gone by, the base.

The trial just never seems to happen. Typically there is one delay after another delay and a further delay, and then when everything is all set, another delay.

The idea is to NOT go to trial. By now, said sailor or marine has been on legal hold for about a year and a half.

The prosecution puts out a feeler. The "victim" just wants to "forget" about this, IF the perp makes her life "right" with x number of dollars.

What? Extortion you say? Your trial has now been postponed for another year just because you insulted our "system". That's right, you stay on legal hold till we reschedule you.

Oh, you want to go home? Now let's see about this comfort money......

When I was stationed at Subic, we had hundreds of guys on "legal hold"

Most got smart quick and settled up, went on with their lives. Poorer but smarter.

Hope these guys get a price quote quick.


24 posted on 12/27/2005 9:17:03 AM PST by Al Gator (Remember to pillage BEFORE you burn!)
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Olongapo was notorious for its hookers and their antibiotic-resistant STDs.

I have strong doubts that she was raped - I think she didn't get paid what she thought she was worth.


30 posted on 12/27/2005 9:41:50 AM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: DJ Taylor
These young Marines were obviously set up by those who wish to damage U.S. counter-terrorism efforts in the Philippines. Why do I say that? Unless times have changed drastically, Filipino women do not hang out in Olangapo bars with sailors and marines unless they are either prostitutes or they have some other more nefarious agenda.

I tend to agree. I posted this story a few weeks back and after reading the details and comments (your input included), it was probably a set-up either for cash or pro-terrorism.

32 posted on 12/27/2005 9:47:43 AM PST by kipita (Conservatives: Freedom and Responsibility………Liberals: Freedom from Responsibility)
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Yep, I've thought that from the first time I heard about this. Good luck to the four Marines though, in this PC world we live in where women can do no wrong, I'm afraid they are screwed before they even have a trial. It doesn't make any difference that they're in the military either; the military is getting more and more PC all the time to. They'll be hung out to dry I'm sure.


34 posted on 12/27/2005 10:34:31 AM PST by MadManDan
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