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Parts from a single body could fetch up to $150,000
The Times (UK) ^ | December 23, 2005 | Nigel Hawkes

Posted on 12/27/2005 2:55:40 AM PST by Wampus SC

THE market in body tissue in the US is believed to be worth more than $500 million (£288 million) a year.

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Heart valves are said to fetch up to $7,000 each in the US, and skin $1,000 per square foot. A body could be worth about $150,000, according to Art Caplan, Professor of Bioethics at the University of Pennsylvania.

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In some cases people in charge of willed-body programmes have profited illegally. In 2002 Allen Tyler, the head of the cadaver programme at the University of Texas Medical Branch in Galveston, pleaded guilty to 66 counts of illegal mutilation. It is estimated that he sold parts from 133 bodies, earning $465,000. He was sentenced to 20 years in jail.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: bioethics; bodybroker; bodybrokers; cadavers; cannibalism; caplan; moralabsolutes; recycling; transplants; utilitarianism; vampirism
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To: Wampus SC
Pinged from Terri December Dailies

8mm

21 posted on 12/27/2005 7:08:24 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jesu ufam tobie..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Wampus SC; HiTech RedNeck

22 posted on 12/27/2005 7:57:24 AM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Elsie

"What do you suggest?

Drill a hole above the casket and drop the money in?"

No, I'd like to see a situation where prior consent of the person is required while they are alive but then the estate (wife, children etc.) would benefit.


23 posted on 12/27/2005 7:58:37 AM PST by gondramB (If even once you pay danegeld then you never get rid of the dane.)
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To: mware
"They stem from those funeral homes that did illegal bone and organ recovery (New York). I think they are hooked up with the same group that got Alistair Cooke's remains."

Oh...thats awful...

As we learned during prohibition, when something is made illegal without also decreasing demand, the price goes up and bad people get into the business.
24 posted on 12/27/2005 8:00:34 AM PST by gondramB (If even once you pay danegeld then you never get rid of the dane.)
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To: Wampus SC

later pingout.


25 posted on 12/27/2005 8:07:12 AM PST by little jeremiah
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To: Wampus SC

Remove the legal restrictions on people selling their own body parts, and illegal stuff would stop, the prices would drop, and the shortages of organs for research and transplantation would disappear. Free markets are a GOOD thing.


26 posted on 12/27/2005 8:50:42 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: gondramB

Dr. Walter Williams has said this before; change the laws so that the donor can profit, and there will be many more donors.


27 posted on 12/27/2005 9:58:37 AM PST by DeweyCA
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To: BipolarBob

Not too far from fiction. Most probably haven't been outside the OR and ER areas of a "nameless" taxpayer-supported hospital in Va. hearing agents from organ banks discussing prices. Sometimes with Drs.


28 posted on 12/27/2005 4:41:28 PM PST by Wampus SC (Enjoying the Christmas truce.)
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To: gondramB
"I know this is a bit cynical... but the reason those prices are so high is that most people don't donate their body parts. The doctors make money on transplants. The hospitals make money on transplants. But the donor gets nothing.

I think it's time to change that law."


Not gonna happen. The doctors, hospitals and dealers won't want to give up any of their bottom line to anyone.
29 posted on 12/27/2005 4:43:54 PM PST by Wampus SC (Enjoying the Christmas truce.)
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To: strange1
"I would estimate Kerrys brain to be about $7,000 per ounce."

At $7,000 per ounce, he should get about 5 bucks for it.
30 posted on 12/27/2005 4:46:41 PM PST by Wampus SC (Enjoying the Christmas truce.)
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To: Elsie
"Soylent Green!"

That's what they make from the parts that can't be recycled.
31 posted on 12/27/2005 4:48:54 PM PST by Wampus SC (Enjoying the Christmas truce.)
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To: Wampus SC
NEWS ALERT....I just called my son and told him about this thread.....body parts...he suggested that old "Travelor" be put up for auction what it cost him in inheritance...sadly I told him that was probably an unattainable amount!!
32 posted on 12/27/2005 4:50:05 PM PST by RVN Airplane Driver (Most Americans are so spoiled with freedom they have no idea what it takes to earn and keep it.)
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To: Wampus SC

No...that's McDonalds' hamburgers.


33 posted on 12/27/2005 5:00:44 PM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (The Democratic Party-Jackass symbol, jackass leaders, jackass supporters.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Whoa! An analogy freak's paradise:

"Remove the legal restrictions on people selling their own body parts methamphetamine, and illegal stuff would stop, the prices would drop, and the shortages of organs methamphetamine for research recreation and transplantation increasing productivity by decreasing sleep time would disappear. Free markets are a GOOD thing."

Not just a GOOD thing, a WONDERFUL thing, because the only thing you need consider is the bottom line. No messy questions of morality or ethics to muddy things up. Profit and bigger numbers on this quarter's reports is all that matters.

So when some HMO beancounter's spreadsheet says you're not producing the desired profit margin, the "to be recycled soon" flag will be set in your record. Do your duty and help make bigger numbers. That's mankind's highest and only goal. Remember, bigger numbers on the bottom line mean all's right with the world. Perfect, in fact....right?
34 posted on 12/27/2005 5:26:12 PM PST by Wampus SC (Enjoying the Christmas truce.)
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To: Wampus SC
"Not gonna happen. The doctors, hospitals and dealers won't want to give up any of their bottom line to anyone."

They are the major impediments but the public isn't exactly clamoring for a change... it sounds "icky" to sell body parts... and the insurance companies don't want the supply to be bigger because then they have to pay for more transplants.
35 posted on 12/27/2005 6:25:41 PM PST by gondramB (If even once you pay danegeld then you never get rid of the dane.)
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To: Wampus SC; odoso; animoveritas; Laissez-faire capitalist; bellevuesbest; Unam Sanctam; EdReform; ...

Moral Absolutes Ping.

Final call of the night. Medical miracles, or cannibalism? I chalk it up to the "I am my body and there is no eternal soul, so let me cling onto bodily existence as long as humanly possible and even past that. No expense spared. And to hell with any concept of ethics."

Freepmail me if you want on/off this pinglist.


36 posted on 12/27/2005 7:25:54 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: gondramB

Human beings are not for sale, in the United States.


37 posted on 12/27/2005 7:27:43 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Wampus SC

This article is the best argument I've ever read for carrying concealed weapons. YOu just never know when you'll have to fight off some bodypirate trying to hack out your liver


38 posted on 12/27/2005 7:29:13 PM PST by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: DeweyCA
Dr. Walter Williams has said this before; change the laws so that the donor can profit, and there will be many more donors.

Human beings must not be bought and sold.
39 posted on 12/27/2005 7:29:20 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: GovernmentShrinker

From a lawyer, in the UK

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In debt? Want to flog one of your kidneys?
No, this isn't a joke.
With staggering amorality our medical elite
now think it's OK for us to sell our body organs.... Jacqueline Laing
Daily Mail
4 December 2003

Let us imagine that you are in desperate need of cash. Perhaps the debt collectors are knocking at your door, or perhaps you can no longer pay the mortgage.

If you are offered a simple and legal operation for a substantial sum of money, you might well be tempted to mutilate your body permanently in return for cash.

Desperate people do desperate things. But, recognising the danger that such a scenario presents to the poor and to those who may be exploited, we have, until now, placed a ban on the selling of human organs. Today, that ban looks in doubt.

Many people will have been as repulsed as I was to learn that the British Medical Association (BMA) yesterday debated the possibility of creating a legal marketplace in human organs.

John Harris, Professor of Bioethics at Manchester University, was reported to have told a group of BMA worthies that he wanted medical support for a change in the law to allow the creation of what he called 'an ethical market' in live organs.


Morality

This phrase is surely a contradiction in terms.
Any market in live organs, however well regulated, is commercially motivated. Ever since the abolition of slavery, most people have come to agree that the human body is simply not an appropriate subject for the logic of the marketplace.

Prof Harris said donors willing to sell a kidney, part of a liver or bone marrow to a sick patient, should receive payment tax-free and without loss of state benefits. They and their families should also go to the top of the transplant list if the need arose.

The fact that he came up with all kinds of elaborate ways in which his precious market could be governed and protected from exploitation suggests that somewhere, deep down, he too has grave doubts about the morality of the idea he is espousing. I hope he does.

For it appals me that a number of senior doctors have backed the idea of legalising a grotesque and shadowy black market which, until now, has existed only in impoverished and relatively lawless nations such as the former Soviet Union, China and the more deprived regions of Latin America.

How could they be so amoral?
The answer, I fear is that an arrogant medical elite, their minds firmly fixed on what they would call scientific progress, have become besotted first with the idea that the end justifies the means, and secondly with an ill-thought-out belief that people can do whatever they like with their bodies.

They believe that we 'own' our bodies in the way that we own property -- our cars, say, or our computers -- and that we are free to use or abuse them as we wish.

But this logic is entirely defective. The law has never recognised any unfettered rights of individuals to do what they want with their own bodies.

The law places great restrictions on the use of controlled drugs such as heroin and cocaine and on practices such as bigamy and incest -- even between consenting adults.

It prohibits living off the earnings of prostitution, suicide pacts, and even driving without a seat-belt.

Indeed, the law is replete with examples of how the common good may outweigh people's own desires to do what they wish with their own bodies. So the argument that people ought to be 'allowed' to trade in their body parts in this way is utterly false.

Admittedly, it is true that there is a severe shortage of organs for transplantation. The BMA estimates that 6,000 people were on waiting lists in 2002/2003, and that some 600 died while awaiting a transplant.

But that does not mean it is morally acceptable to use any means which come to hand in order to obtain those elusive organs.


Cynical

A recent study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association looked at 350 people in a large town in southern India who had sold their kidneys -- on average for just over £580 a time. It was a shocking indictment of the whole cynical trade.

More than 80 per cent of those who had sold a kidney said that they would not recommend the practice, while 85 per cent said that their health had declined as a result.

The vast majority had sold an organ to pay off debts, but the tragedy was that nearly 75 per cent were still in debt six years later. As for the number still living in poverty, it actually increased from 54 to 71 per cent.

In other words, the sale of their organ did not improve their lives either medically or financially. The only people it benefited were the rich and powerful who bought the organs with little thought for those whom they were exploiting.

Of course, the extremes of poverty are not as great in this country. But even in the UK, the poor would still come under intolerable pressure from the rich to sell their organs.

In 1995, the draft Mental Incapacity Bill proposed the removal of organs from non-consenting, mentally-incapacitated patients as a way of addressing our organ shortage.

Although this horrific bill has not yet become law, it raised the prospect of lawyers and next of kin authorising the rmeoval of organs from these vulnerable people.


Murder

Extending this logic to organ sales, those third parties would have a financial incentive to sell the body parts of the very person whose interests they were supposed to be upholding.

What a shocking temptation to place in anybody's way. Make no mistake, it would create a market in murder.

The truth is that buying and selling human body parts would not help the poor and vulnerable. But it would diminish human dignity and our sense of social solidarity.

What is particularly disturbing, however, is the fact that the very people who are charged with caring for and curing us are also the ones calling to use such dubious means to solve the organ shortage.

Can we be surprised, then, when we observe grotesque abuses by this medical elite in whom we place so much faith?

Cases such as the Alder Hay scandal -- in which hundreds of organs were 'harvested' from dead children and stored for medical experimentation without the approval of the grieving parents -- reveal the depths to which the medical establishment has fallen in the name of scientific 'progress.'

This latest proposal is yet another step downwards -- eroding respect for human dignity and encouraging a callousness towards the poor that is beyond contempt.
We sanction it at our peril.

Jacqueline Laing is Senior Lecturer in the
Department of Law, London Metropolitan University


40 posted on 12/27/2005 7:48:22 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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