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To: fizziwig; Alamo-Girl; betty boop
It is compatible though with evolution directed by God...but that is ID...

Actually, no, that's not ID. Remember ID bases it's "inference" of "intelligent design" on the presumption that certain features COULD NOT have evolved, even though many ID'ers believe many other things did evolve. ID may coexist with evolution as a kind of supplement: somethings evolved, others were "intelligently designed". And granted it's entirely mysterious what ID might be in terms of positive process, since IDers resolutely refuse to even speculate about how (or when, or where) instances of ID are actually instantiated.

But it's entirely clear what ID is NOT. If it's possible that something "evolved" then that is definitely not "ID".

Still, we have Pantheism, which is a nice cozy God that lets you do whatever you want because all is God...both good and evil. Its very popular among new agers and compatible fully with Darwinism.

Sure, pantheism's compatible too. And most "new ager" types are probably evolutionists of some description (although certainly not all -- as witness our own Alamo-Girl and betty boop, Christian new agers who take the creationism side in these debates). But it should be noted that new agers have often been hostile to Darwinism -- that is to specifically darwinian versions of evolution -- and sometimes champion creationism, or at least creationism's antievolution arguments.

Just a few example of works by new agers in my antievolution library that come to mind: Francis Hitching, The Neck of the Giraffe (repeats many typical creation science arguments); William Fix, The Bone Peddlers (ditto); Maharahji PradaYadaWhatchmacallhim Life Comes from Life (Hare Krishna -- evolution contradicts reincarnation which holds that souls evolve but species remain fixed); and several others (e.g. anything related to Theosophy, which has it's own evolutionary scheme including "root races" and "vibrational levels" that is utter incompatible on multiple grounds with any scientific account).

22 posted on 12/25/2005 12:37:24 PM PST by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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To: Stultis; Alamo-Girl
as witness our own Alamo-Girl and betty boop, Christian new agers who take the creationism side in these debates

Actually Stultis, neither Alamo-Girl nor I is a "new ager." In fact, we are so "old ager" in mentality and spirit as to be virtually prehistoric. (I hope she will forgive me for putting it that way.) :^)

Seriously, by "old ager," I mean we stick with God's revelation, as shown forth in the holy scriptures and in "the book of nature." I don't think I speak for myself alone when I say there are no "new" truths under the sun, only God's truth, from the beginning....

Merry Christmas, Stultis!

54 posted on 12/25/2005 10:17:30 PM PST by betty boop (Dominus illuminatio mea.)
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