NYT: NSA Spying Broader Than Bush Admitted

Yahoo.Com ^ | 12/23/2005 | AP

[Bullitt]

NEW YORK - The National Security Agency has conducted much broader surveillance of e-mails and phone calls — without court orders — than the Bush administration has acknowledged, The New York Times reported on its Web site.

The NSA, with help from American telecommunications companies, obtained access to streams of domestic and international communications, said the Times in the report late Friday, citing unidentified current and former government officials.

[Edit35]

...."citing unidentified current and former government officials."

In other words, the NY Times told these 'officials' what the paper wanted to publish, and they all nodded in agreement.

[Steel Wolf]

The NSA, with help from American telecommunications companies, obtained access to streams of domestic and international communications, said the Times in the report late Friday, citing unidentified current and former government officials

That explains why Sprint had been charging me $14.26 for a 'Wiretapping Connection Fee'. I wonder if I can cancel that service and get the NSA off my back?

[Grampa Dave]

My calculations show in the last year, about a 1/3 or 33% loss in value per share of NYT.

Or the current value is about 65-66% of what it was before we reelected GW.

[ASA Vet]

When it gets down to less than a penny per share maybe we at FR should take up a collection, buy controlling interest, fire the Commies running it, and rename it the FR Times. (Is that a run on sentence?)

[Grampa Dave]

"When it gets down to less than a penny per share maybe we at FR should take up a collection, buy controlling interest, fire the Commies running it, and rename it the FR Times. (Is that a run on sentence?)"

For years, I have felt that we should buy out Slate and some other bombed liberal sites. That would be the final touch, for Freepers to buy out the Slimes. Then, we could fire and evict everyone and rent the building and equipment to Jim Rob for a $/year.

Yes, that is a run on sentence. That seems to be a problem of our "ilk".

Merry Christmas!

[Texas Eagle]

In other words, the NY Times told these 'officials' what the paper wanted to publish, and they all nodded in agreement.

Exactly. I'll bet one of the "officials" names rhymed with "Valerie Plame".

[ASA Vet]

We have a small heard of them ilk here in Michigan.
I've not aware of any of them biting my sister.

[wildbill]

Pretty difficult to defend against a story without a source or even the name of the telecommunications company.

If true, I assume they are 'data mining' with parameters on overseas communications.

[P-40]

No one got too upset when the NSA said they were doing over two million intercepts per hour prior to 911. Well, they got upset about the NSA not stopping 911...

[Grampa Dave]

Your High School English teacher will be looking for you, or she is rolling over in her grave. :)

[mad_as_he$$]

Sorry but that is stupid logic in this day and time. The Goverment is for the most part incompetent and useless bureacrats that are only worried about their own power and retirement. Name me one thing that Federal Government has done for YOU that is positve and helpful (outside of the direct Constitutuibal duties) in the last five years.

Have you tangled with the IRS because soembody that works for you tipped them off? It will cost you thousands even if you are found inocent. What about guys like Richard Jewel and the anthrax guy - tried in the press and had their lives ruined by the Government - they had nothing to hide and were guilty of nothing.

If you live in almost any blue state give me 15 minutes in your house and I will find at least one felony violation (if you live in Kalifornia I can find 5). Does your computer have kiddy porn on it? Are you sure? Have youe searched every file? Did Junior click the wrong button just once and download the recipe for sarin gas? If he did and they find it you could be declared an enemy combatant and could held at Gitmo forever - no lawyer nothing. Will it happen? Chances are not, but similiar things happen to people who thought they had nothing to hide every day.

[jetson]

I thought the CARNIVOR ease dropping kicked in during Clinton?

[pleikumud]

Print media is increasing obsolete. The motto of the NYT, most major papers and magazines should be “Yesterday’s News Today”, since the “news” was available on the internet anywhere from several hours ago to 2-3 days ago. So old media dinosaurs are desperate to maintain readership, and they devote more and more space to mindless sensationalism, distortions, and lies. I think they may also be generating revenue from Democrats and other leftist anti-Americans, who are willing to pay for stories that help their causes.

[Grampa Dave]

"Print media is increasing obsolete. The motto of the NYT, most major papers and magazines should be “Yesterday’s News Today”, since the “news” was available on the internet anywhere from several hours ago to 2-3 days ago. So old media dinosaurs are desperate to maintain readership, and they devote more and more space to mindless sensationalism, distortions, and lies. I think they may also be generating revenue from Democrats and other leftist anti-Americans, who are willing to pay for stories that help their causes."

One of my liberal neighbors subscribes to the Slimes. I like to kid him he likes 3-4 day old pseudo news and week old lies about GW. His wife is one of the biggest PIA Enviral Nagging Nannies in our area. They subscribe to the NY Slimes, Sacramento Bee, San Francisco Gay Rhonicle, and a paper from Santa Rosa owned by the Slimes. I tell her, that she has a tree killed everyday for her liberal newspapers.

This liberal couple went to Europe for 4 weeks about 5 years ago, and I collected their mail and newspapers for them. They were on the mailing list of every Enviral group from Club Sierra to a local green throwaway. Besides the liberal fishwraps they got Time, Newsweak and other lib weekly. I stacked the newspapers in their garage, and there was a medium size haystack of liberal old news pulp.

[KDD]

There is a three day window for the Government to go to F.I.S.A for a warrant in cases that require immediate attention. I think that is more then enough window. The only reason to avoid a secret court warrant in such a case would be if the domestic wiretap was done absent probable cause and the wiretap itself failed to produce probable cause for the Government to have done it to begin with.

How can you ask a court for a warrant for a linetap that you have already done that produced no probable cause for doing it in the first place?

[TheFrog]

Exactly, they can monitor any conversation of mine they want, just as soon as they get a judge to issue a warrant.

I obey the law, the government must do the same, or is the government above the constitution now?

If the government does not have to obey the laws that they are in charge of enforcing, then why should I?

[BIGLOOK]

My bad calculations.......my fondest dreams.
Merry Christmas, Dave!

[LS]

The fact that you, say, intercept a phone call coming into a person suspected of having terrorist connections, but not yet under warrant, from a foreign country (like Afghanistan) does not give you time to go get a special warrant. You would be two days and 23 hours, 59 minutes late. Sorry, I don't want to take that risk.

[Recovering Hermit]

Direct to you from America's very own fifth column.

[Bullitt]

'To the contrary. I think that this story has doomed the Dims to minority status for at least another election cycle. "Bush bugged Bid Ladin" won't sell in Kansas'

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It's only selling among the neckbolt brigade, better known as the looney left dims.