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Robots are Listening! (Aluminum Hat Required, but it's certainly a little scary if true)
Boston Globe ^ | December 23, 2005 | Charlie Savage

Posted on 12/23/2005 3:40:23 PM PST by grigoriugrigore

WASHINGTON -- The National Security Agency, in carrying out President Bush's order to intercept the international phone calls and e-mails of Americans suspected of links to Al Qaeda, has probably been using computers to monitor all other Americans' international communications as well, according to specialists familiar with the workings of the NSA.

The Bush administration and the NSA have declined to provide details about the program the president authorized in 2001, but specialists said the agency serves as a vast data collection and sorting operation. It captures reams of data from satellites, fiberoptic lines, and Internet switching stations, and then uses a computer to check for names, numbers, and words that have been identified as suspicious.

The NSA's system of monitoring e-mails and phone calls to check for search terms has been used for decades overseas, where the Constitution's prohibition on unreasonable searches does not apply, declassified records have shown.

But since Bush's order in 2001, Bamford and other specialists said, the same process has probably been used to sort through international messages to and from the United States, though humans have never seen the vast majority of the data.

''The collection of this data by automated means creates new privacy risks," said Marc Rotenberg, executive director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center, a watchdog group that has studied computer-filtered surveillance technology through Freedom of Information Act lawsuits.

But even when no personal information intercepted by the NSA's computers make it to human eyes and ears, Rotenberg said, the mere fact that spy computers are monitoring the calls and e-mails may also violate the Fourth Amendment. The Supreme Court has never ruled on whether automated surveillance of phone calls and e-mails, without a warrant, is constitutional.

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1 posted on 12/23/2005 3:40:25 PM PST by grigoriugrigore
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To: grigoriugrigore
the mere fact that spy computers are monitoring the calls and e-mails may also violate the Fourth Amendment.

Barbara Streisand. The rights stop at the border. Intercepting international calls/e-mails violates no constitutional rights...just like searches at border crossings before admittance to the U.S.

2 posted on 12/23/2005 3:43:01 PM PST by peyton randolph (<a href="http://clinton.senate.gov/">shrew</a>)
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To: grigoriugrigore
grigoriugrigore
Since Dec 23, 2005

P.S. Happy Trolling!

3 posted on 12/23/2005 3:44:16 PM PST by peyton randolph (<a href="http://clinton.senate.gov/">shrew</a>)
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To: grigoriugrigore
Welcome to FR...... Do you like cheese?

Welcome to FR...... Do you like cheese?

4 posted on 12/23/2005 3:44:35 PM PST by neodad (Rule Number 1: Be Armed)
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To: grigoriugrigore

You had to post 2 threads to attract attention to yourself, right? Well....the Viking Kitties will be shortly, Abdul.


5 posted on 12/23/2005 3:45:15 PM PST by indcons (FReepmail indcons to join the MilHist ping list)
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To: neodad; darkwing104

Double your pleasure.


6 posted on 12/23/2005 3:46:20 PM PST by neodad (Rule Number 1: Be Armed)
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To: grigoriugrigore
Do you DUmmies just want us to sit here and be taken over?

Be careful what you live for: If that happens, homosexuals will be the first to go.

8 posted on 12/23/2005 3:50:22 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Warning: Adult language, but great Christmas message: http://foamy.libertech.net/noxmas.swf)
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To: grigoriugrigore

one ZOT post down ... one more to go .....


9 posted on 12/23/2005 3:50:40 PM PST by Mr_Moonlight
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To: grigoriugrigore

Eat fruitcake, Fruitcake.


10 posted on 12/23/2005 3:51:21 PM PST by steveo (No Anchovies? You've got the wrong man, I spell my name steveo...)
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To: grigoriugrigore

Remember...the minute one mushroom cloud goes off anywhere in this country, your civil rights cease to be!


11 posted on 12/23/2005 3:51:26 PM PST by kaktuskid
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To: grigoriugrigore
Image hosted by Photobucket.com google Carnivore, Echelon and Clinton... then get back to us!!!
12 posted on 12/23/2005 3:51:40 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: grigoriugrigore

The Admin Mods pulled the other thread.........they have left us this one to play with.

So, Abdul? What's up at the DUmp? Heard Skinner is looking for moderators.


13 posted on 12/23/2005 3:51:50 PM PST by indcons (FReepmail indcons to join the MilHist ping list)
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To: Darkwolf377
If that happens, homosexuals will be the first to go.

Actually, there are alot of gay Muslims, particularly among the Nation of Islam (prison converts).

14 posted on 12/23/2005 3:52:01 PM PST by peyton randolph (<a href="http://clinton.senate.gov/">shrew</a>)
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To: grigoriugrigore

People need to realize that all of their voice and data communications, that are not encrypted, are subject to evesedropping if a sophisticated attacker chose to listen, and behave accordingly. If you want privacy utilize encryption. Otherwise stop whining.


15 posted on 12/23/2005 3:53:11 PM PST by Smogger
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To: grigoriugrigore

Oh Echelon, come here boy. Sick on grigoriugrigore.


16 posted on 12/23/2005 3:53:28 PM PST by King Moonracer
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To: grigoriugrigore

Anyone who believes their emails and chat lines and their Posts on Free Republic arent monitored are too stupid to be on the internet. If the Govt isnt doing it hackers are.
Cell phones are easily picked by a Scanner from Radio Shack. Get real. If you are scared maybe you have a reason to be.


17 posted on 12/23/2005 3:53:31 PM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: grigoriugrigore; Paul_Denton; Darksheare

PWNAGE alert


18 posted on 12/23/2005 3:54:15 PM PST by MikefromOhio (It's amazing that a guy says he wants to nuke parts of America ON FR, but he doesn't get zotted)
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To: grigoriugrigore
It has been ruled over and over that a person cannot expect privacy in a public forum. If you use a cell phone, anyone can listen in to your conversation using simple equipment available at Radio Shack. Same with the Internet. You have no reasonable expectation of privacy. If you want privacy, use another medium.

Welcome to FR and happy Zotting.
20 posted on 12/23/2005 3:54:58 PM PST by Ben Mugged
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