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To: edsheppa
Do you understand what evidence means scientifically?

Do you understand what it means to condescend to reality? To get from evidence to naturalism, you have to first doubt what you know, then you have to find a principle to know, then you take what you know to prove the non-existence of what you doubted. If that is the philosophical basis of your scientific evidence, you will no doubt have science and nothing but. But a the same time you've shrunk all the world to science. Now, back to subject and object. If you don't want to discuss first principles, you're a sham and a propagandist.

250 posted on 12/24/2005 3:45:46 PM PST by cornelis
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To: cornelis
No, you don't get it. A phenomenon is confirming evidence for a scientific theory if it is a theorem of the theory and is observed.

To insist on conventions and rules for science is not shrink the world to science at all. Rather it means only that science isn't all there is. The world is full of non-scientific things, law, philosophy, sport and so forth. ID is one of these non-scientific things.

Now that that's cleared up, what is the subject and object stuff you're going on about?

259 posted on 12/25/2005 2:00:50 PM PST by edsheppa
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