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To: Ichneumon
"It would be if anyone actually did that, but in many decades of studying science and being among scientists and reading the works of thousands of scientists, I've never once seen anyone do the kind of stupid thing you describe."

We are often blind to the differences of those with whom we agree.

After decades as an engineer and scientist in R&D, and after reading thousands of papers, going to dozens of conferences worldwide and meeting ansd talking with hundreds of such men worldwide, I can tell you I see this kind of thing everyday.

I read just such a quote today in a book "6 numbers" by Martin Rees;

"These 6 numbers constitutie a recipe for a universe. Moreover the outcome is sensitive to their values: if any one of them were to be 'untuned', there would be no stars and no life. Is this tuning just a brute fact, a coincidence? Or is it the owrk of a benign Creator? I take the view that it is neither. An infinite number of other universes may well exist where the numbers are different. Most would be stillborn or sterile. We could have emerged in a universe with the right combination." - Dr. Martin Rees, "6 Numbers" 1998, pg 4

The good Dr. takes a view that is far less probable than there being a Creator strictly because he personally prefers to believe there is no Creator, tus he bends over backwards to develop a new Godless paradigm, no matter how improbable.

Less evidence exists to support his view but far more evidence exists already to support the view of a Creator. Yet nonetheless he lurches forward, without further argument agaisnt the God case, but with plenty of rationalization to support his case. All the time the simpler and more likely answer 9there is a God) is bolstered by his argument throught the book. Yet he ignores it.

He started with the supposition; there can be no Creator.

But this is nothing new at all as the following scientist explains (from over 100 years ago)

"It has been my experience that the disbelief in the revelation that God has given...is more prevalent among what I may call the camp followers of science than amongst those to whom science is the business of their lives." -- Alexander MacAlister, Biologist, Physiologist. He was Professor of Anatomy at Cambridge for many years.

"Everyone who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the universe -- a spirit vastly superior to that of man." -- Albert Einstein

"With regard to the origin of life, science...positively affirms creative power." --William Thompson Kelvin, Physical Scientist, Mathematician, Inventor. Degrees Kelvin named after him. He held 21 honorary doctorate degrees.

I believe most scientists believe in a Creator. To think that such a Creator, who can manufacture a universe, has neither the power nor interest in intervening in our everyday lives is simply, illogical and a bit silly. He intervenes everyday.

God Bless you. My wife calls me to bed.

122 posted on 12/22/2005 10:38:26 PM PST by Mark Felton ("Your faith should not be in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.")
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To: Mark Felton
I believe most scientists believe in a Creator. To think that such a Creator, who can manufacture a universe, has neither the power nor interest in intervening in our everyday lives is simply, illogical and a bit silly. He intervenes everyday.

What if the creator (or creators?) are actually scientists and this universe is one big computer simulation on a very powerful computer. That is actually quite likely given that soon we may be in a position to do such a thing ourselves.

126 posted on 12/23/2005 5:26:55 AM PST by bobdsmith
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