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Santorum now critical of Dover case
Philadelphia Inquirer ^
| 12/22/2005
| Carrie Budoff and Paul Nussbaum
Posted on 12/22/2005 1:41:44 PM PST by jennyp
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To: mlc9852
I don't think it matters much what subject we call it, so long as it is allowed to be taught. Students can decide for themselves if it's science or not.Funny comments.
Should we also let students decide if homosexuality is natural or not?
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posted on
12/22/2005 2:35:43 PM PST
by
Ol' Dan Tucker
(Karen Ryan reporting...)
To: linda_22003; Mamzelle; Senator Bedfellow
Welcome to FR.
And to explain Mamzelle's question....she has this theory that posters on FR who are pro-evolution communicate and coordinate their posts on FR using IM, or maybe ESP, or something like that. She even thinks many of us are the same person.
There's more to her theory, but I think you get the idea.
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posted on
12/22/2005 2:38:19 PM PST
by
ml1954
(NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
To: Mamzelle
I believe that is the nature of politics in general, don't you? One party will strike where the other is weak. Tom Daschle is a demo case in point.
Sadly, it apparently trumps doing useful things with their time in DC.
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posted on
12/22/2005 2:39:37 PM PST
by
dmz
To: ml1954
Thanks for the explanation; I'm still learning the language around here. No, from reading the boards around here, it's obviously possible to dislike Santorum for any one of a number of reasons. ;-D
To: jennyp
Look, whether one agrees or disagrees with the result of this case and no matter where one stands on the ID debates, the fact the federal govt. can dictate what a local school can and can't teach as science should give all cause for concern.
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posted on
12/22/2005 2:43:16 PM PST
by
joebuck
Comment #46 Removed by Moderator
To: vanbc
Isn't there a seperate, Catholic/Christian school board for EXACTLY this reason?Yup.
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posted on
12/22/2005 2:47:08 PM PST
by
Ol' Dan Tucker
(Karen Ryan reporting...)
To: jennyp
Education is a wonderful thing and conservative is not synonymous with ignorance.
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posted on
12/22/2005 2:48:05 PM PST
by
shuckmaster
(An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
To: linda_22003
it's obviously possible to dislike Santorum for any one of a number of reasons
No doubt about that. But unless the Republicans have a better alternative, what's one to do?
I'm stuck with Obama and Durbin. It would be nice to have a Republican Senator I could complain about.
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posted on
12/22/2005 2:48:27 PM PST
by
ml1954
(NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
To: gondramB
I have yet to see a non born again Christian advocate forcing the teaching of Intelligent design in science class.From my experience most born again Christiana aren't advocating it either. There's only a vocal few who have been duped by a charlatan book selling hoax to side with an idea that, when examined closely, is mostly contrary to bible teachings.
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posted on
12/22/2005 2:52:37 PM PST
by
shuckmaster
(An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
To: Owl_Eagle
But watch how often the opponents of ID (Darwinists) refer to ID as "creationism" (literal belief in The Book of Genesis) Only because bible believers have, up to now, been the most susceptible to falling for the DI's ID hoax.
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posted on
12/22/2005 2:56:57 PM PST
by
shuckmaster
(An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
To: mlc9852
Students can decide for themselves if it's science or not.Students have all ready decided that they want to learn science when they sign up for a science class. Why do you advocate wasting their time with charlatan garbage?
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posted on
12/22/2005 3:00:12 PM PST
by
shuckmaster
(An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
To: Ciexyz
We have to live in a secular world, but we can carve out our own niche within it.When you stop and think about it, it's really always been that way.
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posted on
12/22/2005 3:09:26 PM PST
by
shuckmaster
(An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
To: jennyp
Politicians "debating" science is as ridiculous as religious leaders debating/denouncing it and issuing fatwah.
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posted on
12/22/2005 3:10:14 PM PST
by
sagar
To: jennyp; PatrickHenry; longshadow
this looks like a crawfishing CYA move on Santorum's part
I'd say he was politically astute for doing it, had he not been so politically (and scientifically) foolish as to back "teaching the controversy"(tm) to begin with.
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posted on
12/22/2005 3:10:23 PM PST
by
King Prout
(many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
To: Gumlegs; mlc9852
" don't think it matters much what subject we call..."
"should they be allowed to decide if it's English or not? "
Actually, if covered in a class of the philosophy, critical thinking, comparative religions, current events genera, I'm OK with it. SO LONG AS it is presented for what it is and not as "option b" to evolution.
It is in fact a valid current even and a valid philosophy and a valid religion or at least extension thereof.
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posted on
12/22/2005 3:11:39 PM PST
by
ndt
To: shuckmaster; Alamo-Girl; longshadow; PatrickHenry
well, there are the dupes...
and then there have been the dishonest sort who backed ID because they'll back *anything* which promises to wound empirical science, fact-based biology, and the theory of common descent and speciation through mutation and selection commonly called "the theory of evolution".
many belonging to that latter variety are now performing a lovely fandango of distancing themselves from ID.
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posted on
12/22/2005 3:14:23 PM PST
by
King Prout
(many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
To: joebuck
the fact the federal govt. can dictate what a local school can and can't teach as science should give all cause for concern. You should take time to study this case a little closer. It was the local citizens backed by their science teachers who had to go to the gov after a board, which had been seduced by a Seattle based seller of charlatan books, attempted to dictate what a local school can and can't teach as science. When you consider the amount of garbage public schools are putting into the curriculum these days, consider this a rare victory for the local citizens.
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posted on
12/22/2005 3:21:01 PM PST
by
shuckmaster
(An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
To: jennyp
Rickie was toast after he backed The Sphenctor at GW's request. Hate to see a supposedly good man fall into the celler. He has no one but himself to blame.
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posted on
12/22/2005 3:25:12 PM PST
by
Digger
(Outsource CONgress)
To: jennyp
Santoroum is a windsock, if he thought he could get a vote by advocating the burning of witches he would supply the lighters.
But, on this one, he is right, ID has no place in a science class in any public school.
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