I only grabbed you two because you were the closest and I needed a launching pad. You may ignore me if you wish.
It is interesting to me that this ToE vs ID issue comes up simultaneously with the left's war on God, the church, Christmas, etc. It seems another leftist issue and front in the battle to change our culture to one more amenable to Communism
If man can be depicted as nothing special, just an accidental assembly of chemicals which evolved over millions of years, it is much easier to denigrate any rights he may claim or any specialness as individuals. Collectivism and herding are then much easier to accomplish.
It also seems to serve quite well in dividing conservatives on the God issue.
Enjoy the debate but don't take your eye off the larger political issues. We are at war for our survival against the Democrats/Communists and the Islamists and it is truly a battle to the death.