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"Are condominium association restrictions against behavior, whether immoral or not, (in your view) without regard to who the behavior affects inherently intrusive, and therefore unjust?"

Condo association rules aren't laws, and I have the freedom to NOT live under those rules (by not living in a condo). In fact, I've exercised that particular freedom when I was looking for my house, as I told my real estate agent that I would not deal with any condo, home-owner and/or neighborhood associations.

"Are website rules against behavior, whether immoral or not, (in your view) without regard to who the behavior affects inherently intrusive, and therefore unjust?"

Same as above. Website rules are not laws, and I have the freedom to avoid the rules by not participating in the goings-on at the site. If, for example, I didn't like Jim Robinson's rules, I would no longer post on FR.

Behavior has consequences. It's the consequences that are often the result of bad behavior that should be punished. But laws that take away an adult's personal freedom, on the assumption that NO ONE will behave responsibly are, in my view, immoral and unjust.

"Behavior has consequences. It's the consequences that are often the result of bad behavior that should be punished. But laws that take away an adult's personal freedom, on the assumption that NO ONE will behave responsibly are, in my view, immoral and unjust."

Well, let's take a peek at your utopia, and only as it applies to driving. In your world, drunk driving would be allowed, and the driver punished only if he harms another person or their property. Correct?

Speeding, reckless driving, weaving, driving after dark without headlights, driving an unsafe vehicle ... all these things would be allowed for the same reason. Correct?

And that's just one small part of your world. Do you really think people want to live that way? Pedophiles as babysitters. Gays as scout leaders. Airline pilots on drugs.

Look, if you don't like the rules set by society either change them or go live your life above the tree line and smoke dope to your heart's content. I truly don't care what you do in your cabin in the wilderness.

But if you choose to walk erect among us, then you live by our rules. Take that!

Condo association rules aren't laws

So what? They're rules with the force of law.

and I have the freedom to NOT live under those rules (by not living in a condo).

And you have the freedom to NOT live under society's rules (by not living in the society).

But laws that take away an adult's personal freedom, on the assumption that NO ONE will behave responsibly are, in my view, immoral and unjust.

OK, you've amended you original argument and inserted a falsehood into it. What laws make the assumption "that NO ONE will behave responsibly"?