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Dover Intelligent Design Decision Criticized as a Futile Attempt to Censor Science Education
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Posted on 12/20/2005 12:12:16 PM PST by truthfinder9

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To: truthfinder9
It's funny how the Darwin Fundies in the trial never addressed the science that the ID supporters presented.

That's because there wasn't any science to address.

41 posted on 12/20/2005 12:45:20 PM PST by RonF
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To: truthfinder9

Yeah, ID is a theory with some facts supporting it and a lot of believers. No one has the audacity to say that evolution explains everything perfectly. There are flaws in the theory that cause some to believe that it doesn't fit the evidence. It makes sense to at least inform the students that there is another theory.

BTW- Why does everyone think ID, etc. is only for stupid people? There are many scientists who believe in it. Not to brag, but I'm very much above average and I believe in it. It's not just people in the food industry or fanatical christians.


42 posted on 12/20/2005 12:46:12 PM PST by onja ("The government of England is a limited mockery." (France is a complete mockery.)
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To: brytlea
You like this decision because you agree with the premise (ID is not science). However, do you believe judges should be deciding what is and isn't science??

The scientific community has quite clearly determined that ID is not science. The judge merely determines whether it's permissible to teach religion as if it's science.

43 posted on 12/20/2005 12:46:24 PM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: mlc9852

PA went for Kerry....barely. If not for the blatant voter fraud in Philly & the 'Burgh....


44 posted on 12/20/2005 12:47:36 PM PST by jdsteel (I need a new tag line!!!)
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To: AntiGuv

Well, I disagree that religion cannot be taught in public schools according to our Constitution, so I suppose you and I will not agree on this. That's ok with me.
susie


45 posted on 12/20/2005 12:48:00 PM PST by brytlea (I'm not a conspiracy theorist....really.)
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To: onja
BTW- Why does everyone think ID, etc. is only for stupid people? There are many scientists who believe in it. Not to brag, but I'm very much above average and I believe in it. It's not just people in the food industry or fanatical christians.

Fair enough. What precisely is it that you believe in?

46 posted on 12/20/2005 12:48:21 PM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: onja

There are, of course, no facts support intelligent design in the least. Not the eye, nor flagella, nor blood clotting, nor any of the other long-disproved ID "examples."


47 posted on 12/20/2005 12:48:50 PM PST by Sols
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To: mlc9852
The part of Pennsylvania that voted out the board is Red to Purple. The Blue areas of Pennsylvania are Philadelphia, Pittburgh, and the larger cities, for the most part.
48 posted on 12/20/2005 12:49:06 PM PST by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border: I dare you to try and cross it. . .)
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To: Dave S

Well, it looks like evolutionists still have nothing to offer other than insults against what many hold dear. Methinks the reason for that is that any reasonable person can see that evolution is a joke.


49 posted on 12/20/2005 12:49:15 PM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (When in Rome, yell and complain until Romans do what you want them to do. If that fails, sue.)
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To: truthfinder9
A legal ruling can't change the fact that there is digital code in DNA

Er...digital? As in..ones and zeros? What happened to the nucleotides?

50 posted on 12/20/2005 12:50:05 PM PST by Windsong (Jesus Saves, but Buddha makes incremental backups)
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To: Dave S

Many ID scientists have shown how ID is compatible with Genesis. See astronmer Hugh Ross' "The Genesis Question."

Now this wouldn't be true if you believe in the pseudoscience of young-earthism, then you might as well believe in loch ness, alien abductions and Dr. Phil.


51 posted on 12/20/2005 12:50:10 PM PST by truthfinder9
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To: brytlea
Well, I disagree that religion cannot be taught in public schools according to our Constitution, so I suppose you and I will not agree on this. That's ok with me.

Well, I didn't say that the judge determined whether religion can be taught in public schools (BTW, the judge explicitly said that ID can be taught, just not as if it were science, which it's patently not). What I said is that the judge determined whether religion can be taught as if it were science, in place of science.

52 posted on 12/20/2005 12:50:40 PM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: brytlea
You like this decision because you agree with the premise (ID is not science). However, do you believe judges should be deciding what is and isn't science??

No I dont believe judges should be asked to waste their time on cases like this. But then I dont think school districts should waste the time of their students by teaching non-science in science class. Now I have no problem with them mentioning that one sentence or discussing the biblical story of creation as part of world history but not science.

53 posted on 12/20/2005 12:51:13 PM PST by Dave S
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To: Oztrich Boy

For those of you who don't actually follow science, gentics in recent years has been showing that man and "apes" aren't related. Look it up.


54 posted on 12/20/2005 12:52:03 PM PST by truthfinder9
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To: truthfinder9

That's genetics.


55 posted on 12/20/2005 12:52:46 PM PST by truthfinder9
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To: WinOne4TheGipper

Methinks you're wrong, or more concisely, incorrect. ID posits an unprovable contention. If you can't prove it, it's not science, no matter how you spin it.

Remember: Science answers the question "how ?"

Religion (and philosohpy) concern themselves with the question "why ?"

They're not in conflict, they're just talking past each other. . .


56 posted on 12/20/2005 12:53:11 PM PST by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border: I dare you to try and cross it. . .)
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To: Oztrich Boy
It's funny how the Darwin Fundies in the trial never addressed the science that the ID supporters presented.

I don't care much for teaching ID myself. What I WOULD like to see in a science class is the parts about the THEORY of evolution that have gaps and unanswered questions (there are quite a few). That is why it is referred to as scientific theory, not a scientific LAW (such as the law of gravity). I've seen quotes in the MSM that said the theory of evolution is as well established as the "theory of gravity". It's the LAW of gravity, not the theory. There is a big difference in science between theory and law. Why can't science classes spend a little time on that?

57 posted on 12/20/2005 12:53:43 PM PST by jdsteel (I need a new tag line!!!)
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To: truthfinder9
For those of you who don't actually follow science, gentics in recent years has been showing that man and "apes" aren't related. Look it up.

What an utterly ridiculous statement. You should try to check in with your nearest reality before you post again.

58 posted on 12/20/2005 12:53:52 PM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: Salgak

We detect design every day. It's not hard. It's the basis for forensics and arcaeology. That's what ID's about: the ability to detect design.


59 posted on 12/20/2005 12:54:38 PM PST by truthfinder9
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To: AntiGuv

Ah, thank you for clearing up, I misunderstood you.
I still don't think it's up to a judge to even take these cases. This is to be determined by the local folks, and if they make a stupid decision, it's theirs. This would not be an issue if it weren't associated with religion, (I don't believe).
susie


60 posted on 12/20/2005 12:56:00 PM PST by brytlea (I'm not a conspiracy theorist....really.)
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