[betty boop]

And is it not those same Marxist materialists who deem us no better, and in many cases, less than than things, animals or machines? And was it not O'Brien who promised Winston that their aim was to hollow out human beings and fill them with themselves?

Well, what can I say, dear Noumenon? If one "kills God," Man is always the real victim.

God knows the difference between a man and a machine. O'Brien does not.

And Winston is confused by this discrepancy. Do you suppose Winston is an agnostic?

Definition of agnostic, Oxford Dictionary:

noun
a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.

But where, in material phenomena, does the agnostic locate the origin of Truth about the universe and our human place in it?

Just wondering....

I surely hope you are wrong about the "only way" to stop the totalitarian aggression against the American people as clearly perpetrated by the Obama Regime.

But if you aren't, you had better have God on your side....

Or so it seems to me, FWIW.

[Alamo-Girl]

But where, in material phenomena, does the agnostic locate the origin of Truth about the universe and our human place in it?

He cannot, he can only speak as an observer, i.e. relative to other observers.

[Noumenon]

I would love to be wrong about this. Unfortunately, history and human nature strongly indicate that I am not. With all that entails.