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To: Atlantic Bridge

We have people arguing in US court that these POWs need to be treated as regular criminals. It would be worse if they were in Texas, for instance.

As long as we are on the topic of POWS and their treatment - what makes us think Europe is nuts is fascination with US treatment of spies, with no attention paid to treatment of US POWs by Japan in WWII, or Vietnam, or Iraq, etc. For instance - Cuba is a prison state, with very low freedoms for all citizens, forget about how prisoners are treated. Where is the outrage in Europe? I could draw these comparisons all day long. European leftists are not interested in rule of law. They are interested in anti-US propaganda. They are at war with the US in the only way they can - the Left has already won most of Europe.


284 posted on 12/23/2005 6:16:10 AM PST by Mr. Rational (God gave me a brain and expects me to use it)
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If I might add my $.02.

A large part of what drives American infuriation with European mores and "principles" is that Europe has become so enamored of their "multicultural diversity and cultural tolerance" that they no longer have the ability to withstand Islam.

It is almost as if Europeans are tired of being strong, and just want to give up and let the jihadists rule. And we can't understand it over here.

If jihadists in the United Stats were torching cars, Americans would simply walk out from their homes and begin summarily shooting them. (In most U.S. states you may use deadly force to prevent the commission of arson).

In Europe, by comparison, you seem to be willingly giving up your female children to racially and religiously motivated gang rape while abandoning entire areas to sharia rule.

We Americans don't understand why Europeans want to die.
285 posted on 12/23/2005 7:03:49 AM PST by Robert Teesdale
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To: Mr. Rational
As long as we are on the topic of POWS and their treatment - what makes us think Europe is nuts is fascination with US treatment of spies, with no attention paid to treatment of US POWs by Japan in WWII, or Vietnam, or Iraq, etc. For instance - Cuba is a prison state, with very low freedoms for all citizens, forget about how prisoners are treated. Where is the outrage in Europe? I could draw these comparisons all day long. European leftists are not interested in rule of law. They are interested in anti-US propaganda. They are at war with the US in the only way they can - the Left has already won most of Europe.

There is a very simple reason for this outrage. In difference to Japan (or Germany) in WWII, Vietnam or Iraq we see America still in the circle of civilized nations. Therefore we expect no primitive behaviour. We expect responsibility and maturity. A decisive reason for our differences in this case is probably, that contemporary Europeans see punishment usually as a way to correct the inmates, while in some states of your country it appears to us that revenge is clearly in the foreground. Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot. Simply archaic and old-testamentary revenge.

The ethic point of views are fundamentally unequal on both sides of the Atlantic. This has really nothing to do with the political direction of Europeans.

286 posted on 12/23/2005 9:02:51 PM PST by Atlantic Bridge (O tempora! O mores!)
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