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To: Mr. Rational
As far as I am informed (It can be possible that my information is wrong, since I can only can relay on the press and the internet with this case. PLEASE CORRECT ME THEN) , one of the reasons why America established the prisoner camp in Gitmo, is, that it is no territory of the US in the legal point of view. Therefore the US-standarts of prisoner rights are not valid in this camp. Since the inmates are no POWs but simply terrorists they could claim the normal rights of a criminal if they would be arrested in the US.

Personally I do not have any problem with this because Americans are civilized people. Even with such scum like in Gitmo. On the other hand this practice is seen very skeptical among such allies like the UK or Poland.

264 posted on 12/22/2005 12:15:19 AM PST by Atlantic Bridge (O tempora! O mores!)
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To: Atlantic Bridge

That is exactly the point. They are not criminals. A main reason the New York attack was successful was that previous adminsitrations were dealing with terrorists as if they were criminal cases.

US rights afforded citizens do not naturally fall to POWs, and never have. They don't in other countries either.

One of the main issues with Patriot Act is sharing information between US law enforcement agencies. We have Federal (US Gov - Domestic = FBI) State, local (like NY City), and International law enforcement arms. They were specifically prevented from sharing information prior to 9-11. So the complete pictures could not be assembled, because they were not allowed to share information.

US law is very convoluted concernig who has jurisdiction (legal control) over certain things. Lawyers could tie you up forever on this stuff.

It may be why they put it in Gitmo - if you were in charge - where would you put it? It is sort of common sense. The reason it is seen as skeptical outside the US is because they get the image given by the Leftist dominated media. There is nothing wrong or inhumane about keeping these guys at Gitmo. They are living better than our soldiers. They had a nicer lunch today than I did - as they do every day. Look - just to be obvious - how many stories did we get about "Flushing the Koran in a toilet" - that didn't even happen, vs how many stories on the fact that we give them a Koran on entry and allow special prayer time and make special food etc etc. 2:1? 10:1? And remember - story #1 wasn't even real.

How many Europeans are told the US military was 2-3 months into an investigation of Abu Graib when the story broke? There was no coverup - that is why the story was so easy to write - we were already investigating through normal channels. This misinformation is going on constantly. I'm not saying it was right - but our response was not how it was portrayed. Not to put to fine a point on it - but if it went "to the top of our Military Organizations" then the person making that statement might want to account for the investigation ongoing prior to the news reports.

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271 posted on 12/22/2005 11:42:20 AM PST by Mr. Rational (God gave me a brain and expects me to use it)
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To: Atlantic Bridge
Since the inmates are no POWs but simply terrorists they could claim the normal rights of a criminal if they would be arrested in the US.

Have your even READ the Geneva Conventions????

The status of these "detainees" is quite clear - they forfieted thier protections under the Conventions the moment they, as "civilians", bore arms or conspired to do so against the US - they are subject to MILITARY Jurisdiction - not Criminal - just READ the Conventions - it is VERY clear.

292 posted on 12/24/2005 1:23:37 AM PST by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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